Here is the AOL chat conversation referred to on my comments on Mark Ebner's article, and posted in the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup by LsaDerrick. I received a copy of it through Peter McDermott who traced it out through DejaNews after I inquired about a comment of his. Here is the e-mail, reproduced with permission:
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:03:57 +0100
To: Bernie <Bernie@bernie.cncfamily.com>
From: Peter McDermott <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: DIANE RICHARDSON - ENOUGH
> [mail only]
> On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:48:29 +0100, in alt.religion.scientology you wrote:
>>It was the first time I'd *ever* felt instinctive sympathy for
>>the scieno and revulsion at the critic's tactics. Sadly, it was
>>far from the last.
>I don't quite understand. Was it FauxReal59 himself who displayed this
>behavior or was it pointing out to someone else's behavior?
No, it was FauxReal59. He was talking to a scientologist, who was
sincerely trying to answer his questions about the church, but
whenever her points got too difficult for him, he'd respond by
proposing they engage in netsex.
I'll see if I can find the post on DejaNews for you. It
was titled Clam Sex or something. I can't recall who posted it,
but it was a transcript of an IRC session. It was the first thing
I read on my return to ARS.
I kind of see the point Peter is making (although I have seen much worst in ars), but it strikes me that the conversation illustrates still something else, something I raised already in my comments about Mark Ebner's article: Mark doesn't have clue about what Scientology really is, like most never-a-member "critics" for that matter.
Subject: CYBERSEX WITH A CLAM
From: email@example.com (LsaDerrick)
FauxReal59 (Mark Ebner):
greatest video game in the world, dear heart!
my my we do get personal dont we
Devora. I know you're fundamentally a good
Can we agree to disagree?
I don't care whether or not you agree with me
Can't you find a better game? Why waste your time on a few measly Scientologists?
Glad you asked...
Underneath the game is a deadly earnestness for me...
Believe it or not, with most faiths and religions I try and maintain a "live and let live" philosophy on which my very life depends...
As a journalist, I dig. I search for the truth like a truffle hog roots for his prized mushrooms...
In my research process with Scientology, I came across an incredible fellowship of ex-Scientologists. Kind, gentle, caring people
for the most part...
My work did not stop with my published material...
After finding out the horrifying ordeals that so many of these good people had to go through in an effort to merely get their lives back, I have found a cause beneath the video game...
Call me an armchair exit-counselor!
So, what do you get out of it?
In the spirit of service, of "giving it away to keep it," I get to remain happy, joyous, and free. Yes, *free.*
each to his or her own. Oh, you're Neil, arent you? his.
No. I'm not Neil. My name is Mark Ebner.
Oops. got you mixed up with the other guy. maybe that is WWOODS.
Sorry. Look. Thanks for the comm. I still don't appreciate the trash in our
folders. I don't know where you are posting from, but it is getting late here
and I have an early start. You can disagree -- just don't get between me and my
<<You can disagree -- just don't get
between me and my religion.>> No there's the *lawyer* in you I've
been waiting for!
hey - no lawyer bashing either!!
Heard the one about the journalist . . .
Anyway... it's been awhile since OSA has heard from me.
Oh ? Got another publication up your sleeve?
Be kind, journalists are bashed more than lawyers these days.
Do you know who Spieler7 is?
Absolutely. Did you see the Best Of LA section
in New Times -- the magazine Scientology runs full page ads in?
Spieler7 signs on from Germany. With a vengeance, I guess.
no - is that an LA rag? I'm not from there.
LA, Denver, SF, Miami, Dallas, etc.
Nice little snippet on LRonHubbard Way.
Stand by, I'll paste it to you
Hey - - can't stand by much longer. got to run.
As published in New Times: <<If
Scientology is indeed a religion, as the 'clams" of Scientology claim, and
the US Constitution requires separation of church and state,
why did the city of La re-name Berendo St. in Hollywood--just west of Vermont, at Sunset -- L Ron Hubbard Blvd after the founder of a belief system that advocates clenching tin cans to remove implanted aliens from our auras?
We dont recall seeing a Yoganada Ave or Krishnamurti Circle, let alone a Jesus H. Christ highway. -end-
I am on staff at New Times. <smile>
I also appeared on E! where I did my segment on how "I kissed John Travolta" at the Celebrity Center.
You are absolutely eloquent. Just don't come begging to me next life time when you discover, in between, that we were right. Oh, I forgot, you are not going to be able to remember that. What a shame.
LOL. How will I know it's you, sweety? Got a
I'll send my photo if you send yours.
No-not that advanced, techwise
Can't MEST powers handle such a simple task?
Look, doll. If you can create universes, why
can't you compose a photo of yourself?
Or am I overestimating you? Are you an OT?
What are you wearing, Devora?
I feel this sudden urge to enjoy you.
Course I'm OT. Wouldn't hang around the crap if I wasn't. Look, dearie, now you are pushing it.
Baby, you guys do it like rabbits. You can't fool me, silly.
Boy have you got some weird ideas about us. Don't know know people make up stuff for journalists because they like to see their name in print?
That was not the case with my story at all.
You see, I joined Scientology.
I got first hand experience inside.
So I heard.
What did you do?
Have you read my DA folder?
I did Book One auditing, and watched a bunch of videos. I got prepped for the purif...
so, were you really audited, or did you pretend?
I really was audited. In fact, I cried at one point. Real tears.
Are you single Devora?
I don't believe you.
Believe me, you see....
I don't have a problem with much of the tech....
It's how it's misrepresented that bothers me.
and . . .
I choose to disseminate the truth.
how what is misrepresented?
Care for examples?
Okay. To the point of my experience...
Book One Auditing...
I was told by my reg that it was not hypnosis...
Then, when I was audited I was put through a routine that mirrors basic hypnotic rundown to the letter.
were you hypnotised?
do you recall what happened in the session?
Were you in control of your body?
Hey. You wanna by my Mark VII Super E-meter?
Yes, I was in control of my body.
I mean I wasn't exteriorizing.
for how much? could you feel your body? Could you feel the chair you
were sitting in?
Why did you buy an e-meter?
I was in a post-hypnotic trance, Devora. My
body was not a conscious issue at hand.
I didn't buy it. It was a gift. Made for some great photos as published. Only Kirstie and I had the special color of my Mark VII.
Well, the reg was right. Dianetics is not hypnosis. I don't know what happened to you. I've audited book one, and not one of my PCs got hypnotised. Sorry you had a bad experience with it.
Hey. Why did my reg at the CC tell me that I
would experience skin-flushing from radiation release on the purif, instead of
explaining that the flushing is a result of Niacin intake?
Devora. I did not say my experience with it was bad. I said I was lied to about what it really was. Is hypnosis a bad thing?
Sorry, bud, but in my experience, it is radiation. Many years ago I got a hand-print sunburn where my sister, who was supposed to sun-block my leg, just put a hand-print of sunblock on it. Don't know why I didn't spread it around, but I didn't and got burned around the handprint. The sun-burn hand came out on my purif.
In the shape of a hand?
I do not think you were lied to. Dianetics is not hypnosis. You made it seem like a bad thing. Sorry if I misunderstood.
My god, Devora. WHO was putting their hand on your leg during your purif?
Yeah -- red niacin flush everywhere except where the hand print had
been . . in a hand print. It wasn't as clearly a hand as it had been the first
time. Probably because there's other times I'd sunburned the leg (I'm pretty
pale) but, to me, it seems, that that was sunburn. Not just from the niacin.
wouldn't you like to know?
Shre with me, baby.
so what color is your meter, and who gave it to you? and if your book one auditing experience wasn't bad, why are you complaining about it?
My e-meter is toothpaste green! Who's
complaining about book-one? The rag doll drills were a bit over the top, I gotta
A friend gave it to me, btw.
Ugly! Who chose that color! What did you drill with a rag doll, and
do you understand what they are for?
Rag dolls - to my knowledge - are for sleeping with on lonely nights, and, yes I understood what they were used for. I prefer one on one with a human.
Human is good. So, what is your understanding of what the rag
dolls are for?
The rag doll was used to drill.
No. Not "why" drilling; why rag doll?
Damn. Are you on the rag, doll?
Thats some shoddy journalism, buster, if you don't know why the students drill with rag dolls. Didn't you even ask the question?
Care to discuss your lawyering?
Not until you tell me whether or not you know why students drill with rag dolls. don't harp about something you don't understand.
Well, the rag doll was dressed in a sailor suit...
Could it have had something to do with "modeling?"
Go on. Say uncle. I'll be nice and give you the answer . .
Can I say, "mommy," in the spirit of my current fantasy involving you?
Only if you admit (come on, you are a big boy, you can do it) that
you haven't got a clue why the students do their drills with rag
Babe. Why won't you discuss anything besides
Scientology procedures with me?
I'll bet the red in your cheeks give off a rag doll effect right now, doll.
I guess that answers my question. Because your fantasies are your business and you can keep them to yourself, thank you. How do you know I'm not 250 lbs with a wart on my noes and a hairy chin?
Bring on the 250 lbs, momma! I love a woman of depth and weight of soul.
LOL!!! That was a good one! I can always use a good chuckle!
Question: The does your body weight include the weight of Body Thetans?
Do you talk about anything except for Scientology and sex?
Yes, I do. See any good movies lately?
I really wanna know... how much does an average Body Thetan weigh?
Hey and you were being such a gentleman for a while. . . I don't get to the movies much, so I rent them much after they come out. I saw Whoopi Goldberg, the Associate, recently. Not bad.
I missed that one. I've tired of Whoopi anyway.
So... What are you wearing?
look babe, I'm saying good night now.
Okay, babe. One more question?
careful . .
You are "hatted" to run the AOL boards, correct?
Oh. . . so now the intention is clear. What do you intend to mean by the word "hatted"?
Pardon any misuse of "jargon," but I really want to know if you are under Scientogy direction to disseminate on the AOL Scientology folders.
Really? You are not part of an online dissemination project?
That old message has been so misconstrued . . .
I'd appreciate the truth, then.
And where should i expect to see posted whatever i tell you?
You're projecting dear. I asked a simple question.
You're a journalist, darling
Ah. Contempt! Look, I'm asking because I want to know.
I try to keep non-OTs away from the upper level
crap/misconstrued/altered stuff you and your motley crew seem to revel in
posting in our fellow ship boards.
This is our religion, see? And it is confidential for reasons we understand, even if you don't.
Are you afraid of upper level revelations?
By the way . . the rag dolls are used because the students are learning how to run auditing processes, and it is an effort to avoid the student running the process on the coach. So, it is run on the doll.
You know something? I don't believe any of the myths about Jewish women?
Your question makes no sence. "upper level revelations" are to be delivered in the order LRH intended, with the person's lower auditing levels fully done. . . not plastered on a message board where they have been so altered from the original they make us look like freaks
I think you are sexy as all get out.
what? You like the way I type?
Freaks are sexy too!
Thank you, kind sir.
Good night. Don't forget my photo!
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