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Charles Manson and Scientology

Manson's Scientology experience


Scientology critics like to present Charles Manson as a typical Scientologist. Manson, however, only dabbled into Scientology for a short time, alongside many other subjects. Scientology had nothing to do either in the horrible murders he pushed his followers to perpetrate. This does not prevent critics from presenting a completely distorted picture of the reality. This page provides all the facts necessary to understand the situation in a correct perspective.


An inmate (i.e. not the Church of Scientology) informally gave Manson Scientology sessions in his prison cell. Manson seemed to make progress until he apparently had to confront his own crimes, at which point he panicked and backed off from Scientology completely. He later pretended to have reached the highest point of Scientology level and that because of this he was not interested anymore.

From HELTER SKELTER by Vincent T. Bugliosi:

A staff evaluation written in 1961 mentions that

Manson gave as his claimed religion `Scientologist,' stating that he `has never settled upon a religious formula for his beliefs and is presently seeking an answer to his question in the new mental health cult known as Scientology.'

Scientology, an outgrowth of science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics, was just coming into vogue at this time. Manson's teacher, i.e. `auditor', was another convice, Lanier Rayner. Manson would later claim that while in prison he achieved Scientology's highest level, `theta clear'. (ep. 240)

Paul Watkins when Bugliosi interviewed him about Manson's philosophy:

Manson had told him that while he was in prison he had studied Scientology, becoming a "theta" which Manson defined as being "clear". (p. 237)

Septembre 1961 progress report:

He was still interested in Scientology when his annual progress report was written that September [1961]. Furthermore, according to the report, that interest "has led him to make a semi-professional evaluation of his personality which strangely enough is quite consistent with the evaluations made by previous social studies. He appears to have developed a certain amount of insight into his problems through his study of this discipline. Manson is making progress for the first time in his life." (ep. 241)

Watkins said that in the summer of 1968 he and Charlie had dropped into a Church of Scientology in downtown Los Angeles, and Manson asked the receptionist, "What do you do after `clear'?" When she was unable to tell him anything he hadn't already done, Manson walked out." (p. 237)

From "Manson in His Own Words", as told to Nuel Emmons. Grove Weidenfeld, New York, 1986.

About psychs:

The subject that interested me was understanding and knowing my own mind. Prison psychs had told me often enough that I had 'persecution' and 'inferiority' complexed but they never did anything to help me overcome those faults  p.69

On his favorite reading topics while in prison:

I read whatever books I could find (and understand) that dealt with mind development. A cell partner turned me on to Scientology. With him and another guy I got pretty heavy into Dianetics and Scientology. Through this and by other studies, I came out of my state of depression. I was understanding myself better, had a positive outlook on life, and knew how to direct my energies to each day and each task" ibid., p. 69-70

On his conversations with Alan "Creepy" Karpis, an imprisoned hit-man:

There were times when I would try to sell Karpis on the things I was learning through Scientology. 'Kid', he would say, 'your mind is your greatest friend, yet it can be your worst enemy. Don't get it more fucked up than the world has already made it." ibid., p.73

From a Scientology compliance report investigating Manson's possible involvement in Scientology in the wake of the Tate-LaBianca murders. (These were part of documents seized by the FBI from the Church of Scientology in 1977 and subsequently made available through the Freedom of Information act):

GS-C Comm GS-G 22 June 70 D/G Intell U.S.

Dear Mary Sue, COMPLIANCE REPORT

RE: MANSON, BRUCE DAVIS

There have been numerous new developments on this case and they are as follows.

An individual by the name of Steve Grogen appeared on our lines (PM). I received word that he had made statements that he was a member of Mansons family and therefore started some intell. action, which at first consisted of talking to the girls he had been in contact with. By the time I had finished talking to them Grogen had been put away in jail for car theft. In spite of numerous efforts on our part it was impossible to get together with him. I had the girl he seemed to be most in comm with, journey out to the valley on four different occasions to talk to him and in spite of our best efforts he was never made available. He was either "in court" or the jail was undergoing extensive re- decoration. Of course we did not want it known that a member of The Church was trying to see him. At the same time this was going on we received word that two members of the Manson Family "squeeky Frome" and "Sandy Goode" were staying at the Viking Motel on 3rd and Alverado which is in close proximity to the org. We made no efforts to contactthem.

On 18 June 80 the following report was received by me.

Report of interview with Raul Morales, Re: Charles Manson.

According to Raul: Raul arrived in prison on McNeil Island, Washington in 1962 and became a cell mate of Lafayette Raimer allegedly a trained Scientology auditor (about Level I in Raul's estimation) and was introduced to Scientology at that time. Raimer was auditing in prison at that time and in one 10 man cell had managed to gather a group of about 7, all in Scientology. Charles Manson entered later and studied, did TRO etc. along with his cell-mates and received approximately 150 hours of auditing from Raimer. Processes used were CCH's, Help processes (Who have you helped-Who have you not helped) and other Dichotomy processes (Rauls terms, such as What can you confront, what would you rather not confront), Havingness (Such as "What can you have?" "Look around and find something you can have. Look around and find something you're not in." Rainer kept recor records of his auditing. Manson got super-energetic & flipped out when he'd been audited and would, for a time, talk about nothing but Scientology to the extent that people avoided his company. After a while, however, Manson was screaming to get away from his auditor (in Raul's opinion, he'd been severely over-run or something). He eventually managed to get put in solitary confi- nement to get away from his auditor. Eventually prison officials got suspicious of the groups strange activities and broke up the group. Subsequently, Raul was released from the prison in 1965. Raimer's wife was in training here at the L.A. Org in 1965-66; she had disconnected from Raimer. Raul just found out yesterday that another friend, Marvin White, later sent Manson books (after the Scientology group was broken up) on hypnotism and black magic,

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