Paulette Cooper and Dave Williams in a hotel room
Is this Sandra Sacks' number? 465-2918, ok. Could you ask Sandra Sacks--when do you expect her to be--I'm calling from New...Washington.
Uh, she knows me, if you have the name correct she'll know who it is.
Uh-huh. I understand that so far it looks like Nan's testimony not only won't harm but could be helpful.
Ok, fine. The reason I didn't mail them to the lawyer directly like I did the first time is that I figure, heck the lawyer's just going to charge for reading them, let Ted decide.
Oh, ok fine, so whatever I come across. I'm here reading the documents now 'cause they may seal them. So whatever I come across that I think I'll--you know may help him I'll continue to send on. Great.
that you, that you've spoken to before. And it could be a very critical job as far as the anti-scientology movement goes. In fact, it could protect and help Ted also. But, I don't want to get into any details. The thing I wanted to mention is, the father seems unaware that, uh, Paula Dain's father was indicted.
In other words, when I was talking about Ted he said "I guess all I have to lose if it doesn't work is ten thousand."
So what I wanted to warn you and Ted about was maybe don't mention anything.
Ok, but don't volunteer it, all right? Because that might scare him off and....
Well you can tell him that--you know--should anything go wrong he's responsible for legal expenses, but if you mention that...you know--if you volunteer that he could be indicted he might not want to risk that. So that, you know, all you really want to ensure is that they take care of legal expenses. You know?
I'm going to be here until Friday. And, as I said, they're sealing the documents, they may seal the documents, and that's why we're panicked and I'm racing down here to try to grab whatever I can as rapidly as I can. Cause they may never again be seen.
Oh, oh, yes, I had a very big fight with her. There's absolutely and positively no point on which we can even discuss the matter any more. And uhh,
Oh, completely. You know, Nan said to me "Oh what are you defending him for, you know he goes out and deprograms nuns from Catholicism." And, I said...
Incidentally, you know that I found in the documents that Scientology did print that anti-deprogramming booklet?
head. That she was, I mean, I told you that , what Nan did was horrible, but she didn't do it for the wrong reasons within her frame of reference. The girl said to her that you know Ted was bullying her and that she was going to have a nervous breakdown, commit suicide, that if she could just get away from Ted she'd leave Scientology. And that's why Nan, you know, finally did that. But it
I know, but it reached the point that I could no longer argue with her. Because, you know, when two people just don't have a single point upon which to discuss something, we were in a restaurant, not only did I begin to shout and she began to shout, but there was a scientologist couple sitting two tables over, which already puts a terrible mood because we thought we couldn't talk freely about anything.
I'm doing is, I know all the different people involved, one of them discusses how she was imprisoned for 15 months, and what I'm doing is getting to these people and I'm going to have them put it on a tape because I know that deprogramming people don't read, you know? So my thought is to make up a little tape, you know, to give you, and also Joey Flanagan, you know who he is, he's doing deprogramming now. And I think it's a few people who are doing deprogramming to have this tape to play the story of 5 or 6 you know former Scientologists.
Because, you know, there's so much information about the other cults but you don't have information that much on this one because so few people will talk. So I'll send you that as soon as I've put it