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Nan Stupid Honesty


 

Nan McLean is one of the few anti-cultists which I truly admire. Unlike so many "critics", she doesn't think that the ends justify the means, and she is aware that in a fight where moral issues are a key topic, your own actions count about as much as whatever you preach.

Unlike many anti-cultists who claim to be against forcible deprogramming but are most probably ready to justify it if the occasion arises, Nan demonstrated till the end her resolve in this regard. She turned in Ted Patrick when she discovered that he detained someone against his will, and steadily refused to give in to Paulette Cooper pressurising her into perjuring herself in Court to save Ted Patrick's neck. Cooper, on the other hand, always supported deprogrammers and often collaborated with them.

Cooper's lack of moral principles is again visible here, albeit in a "smaller" issue. Not only did she cheat on her xerox costs, that were fully paid by Bast while Nan paid hers from her own pocket, she also consciously exploited people's honesty and trust while doing so.

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Source: Nan's Stupid Honesty

Diane Richardson

1996/10/26

Email: referen@bway.net
Forums: alt.religion.scientology
Message-ID: <54t6cd$87q@clark.zippo.com>

When Paulette Cooper was faced with the possibility of being indicted for the manufactured bomb threats in 1973, she learned of a woman in Canada who was engaged in her own legal battles with the CoS -- Nan McLean.

Cooper telephoned Nan McLean, then flew up to Toronto to meet her. Thence began a very close friendship between the two women.

When documents seized by the FBI from Scientology[tm] headquarters were unsealed by Judge Richie in the U.S. District Court for the District of D.C. in November 1979, Cooper and McLean began a months-long project of going through the material and photocopying the damning records.

During this time, Cooper became a contractual employee of Richard Bast, the private investigator.  While McLean was paying for her living expenses and photocopying costs out of her own pocket, Cooper's bills were being reimbursed by Bast as business expenses.

Tape RC-47

March 15, 1980 -- Cooper, Bast

COOPER: You know, getting back to Nan and her stupid honesty. Do you know what I managed to cheat down my photocopy bill down to?  Get this . . .

BAST: What's that?

COOPER: $89.50.

BAST: Really?

COOPER: Now, Nan and I photocopied, I did three-quarters of what she did.  Okay?  That's the way it generally went. . .

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: She's paying an $800 bill.

BAST: Yeah, that's what she mentioned to me - $800 or something like that.

COOPER: She started in on me yesterday.

BAST: Yeah?

COOPER: She said, "What was your photocopy bill?"

BAST: Do you think Nan might turn you in?  I wonder if it's a good idea . . .

COOPER: I didn't tell her.

BAST: . . . not to pay uh . . .

COOPER: I didn't tell her.

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: You know what I said?

BAST: Yeah?

COOPER: I said, "It makes me sick to think about it, let's not discuss it . . . .

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: So, she said again, you know. . .

BAST: I know but she, what if she. . . what if she finds out from them how much you paid?   I wonder if it's, it's. . .

COOPER: She can't.  It's a court record.  Hey, there's no way she's gonna find out.

BAST: Oh, she's not?

COOPER: In fact, I made a point, on Friday. . .

BAST: 'Cause see, she'd, she'd turn you in, you know, for defrauding the government or something. . .

COOPER: I made a point last Friday.  I said, "I'm going up to the press room. . ."

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: . . .um to talk to Ken privately. . .

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: And then I went and paid.  I didn't want her next to me when she saw me writing out a check for $89.50. . . (garbled)

BAST: Oh, I see. . . I see. . . 'cause she knew how much you, how much you got there. . .

COOPER: But she was watching very carefully yesterday.  So I made uh. . .

BAST: . . . because you see that's, that'd be considered a fraud on the government.

COOPER: I know.  But I made a point yesterday of being completely honest about it.  You know why?  It's only fifty pages.

BAST: Oh, I see.  So you paid them for the fifty pages.

COOPER: Sure.  I said, "Why not?"  You know?

BAST: Yeah, that's right.  Yeah, well, you know, that's picayune stuff there, you know.   I'd. . . I'd, I, I would ju. . . . you know. . . .

COOPER: Well, why should we pay $800?

BAST: Well, yeah.

COOPER: See, if we can pay $89.50. Right?

BAST: Well, yeah, that kinda makes sense.

COOPER: Well, if they (garbled) it's because they trust me.

BAST: But, I mean, but with Nan, I, I'd just as soon pay the full amount and not have, you know, not be worried about her.

COOPER: Yeah.  Don't fool around with Nan.  Don't , uh, everything has to be completely. . .

BAST: Oh no, I know that, that's why I'm saying, I mean she's down there with you, and you know, she says she's friendly with those Court Clerks down there.  She might ask them how much you paid. That's why I would just as soon. . .

COOPER: No. She's friendly with the. . . you see, I didn't pay to the Clerk.  I paid to the Finance Department.  There's no way she would know.

BAST: Does she know the Finan. . . who does she pay to?

COOPER: No, the Finance Department. The same place.  You ring a bell, and hand them your bill and hand them your check.

BAST: Oh, I see.

COOPER: And furthermore, I can say something ...

BAST: I mean really, those kind of expenses, I would suggest you not chisel on.  You do whatever you want to do, but uh. . .

COOPER: Don't worry.  She's not gonna, she's not gonna turn me in on something like that.

BAST: Damn, she turned in Ted Patrick.

COOPER: Yeah, but that's not uh. . .

BAST: She said she'd turn in her own son.

COOPER: I know.  Now let me tell you though, what I did yesterday. . .

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: Periodically, we need this guy named Bob Lyons. . .

BAST: Who's he again, now?

COOPER: He's the Court Clerk.

BAST: Oh yeah.  Okay.

COOPER: It's like when the press comes down and we need to have the paper filled in. . .

BAST: Maybe you ought to take him out to dinner, you know, or lunch or something. . .

COOPER: No. . . no, you know what I did? And he almost fell over. . .

BAST: What?

COOPER: In fact, Nan. . . it allegedly came from both of us.

BAST: Yeah?

COOPER: Uh, a bottle of Chivas Regal, thanking him...

BAST: Oh, really?

COOPER: . . . he'd been so nice.  So I bought it at the train coming out.

BAST: Yeah?  No kidding.

COOPER: And I got him a bottle, he was, he said...

BAST: How much did that cost us?

COOPER: Sixteen dollars.  Cheap at half the price.

BAST: Yeah, yeah.  That's right.  Yeah, that's cheaper than a dinner.

COOPER: Exactly, and he said, "Oh, I can't accept a gift like this." No one's around.  Now the important thing is that I wasn't coming back, so it didn't look like any kind of a bribe. . .

BAST: Yeah, yeah. . .

COOPER: . . . and I said, Nan and I are so grateful.

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: . . . that you've gone out of your way on so many occasions that we absolute. . . uh ...

BAST: Did Nan pay for half of it?

COOPER: No, but she's going to.

BAST: Oh, I see.  It only costs our client eight dollars then.

COOPER: Well, if we can collect from Nan.

BAST: Yeah.  Right.

COOPER: So, she. . . . To collect money from her isn't hard, incidentally.

BAST:     Yeah.

COOPER: With all her honesty.

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: As to getting, uh, getting a document from her. . .

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: . . . you know, which you can ask her.  If you give her anything, it's, you might as well flush it down the toilet. (2-3 words unintelligible)

BAST: So, Bob Lyons was happy with the uh  . .. Chivas Regal?

COOPER: Ecstatic . . . I could call him up at any point and get anything. . .

BAST:      Oh, beautiful.

COOPER:    . . . for sixteen dollars.

BAST: Oh, beautiful.

COOPER: So that was a good move.

BAST: How old a guy is this Bob Lyons?  Is he a younger man. . .

COOPER: No.

BAST: . . . or older man?

COOPER: Like fifty-five.  Married, kids, blah . . .

BAST: Oh, I see, yeah.

COOPER: . . . I rememb. . . you know, I mean, I don't care for the man, but I can get; never can tell when we need him, and he, he. . .

BAST: That's right.  Hey, he's a good contact there.

COOPER: . . . he works at the. . .

BAST: . . . a good contact.

COOPER: You know it, so that was um. . .

BAST: But he wasn't going to take it at first, until you said. . .

COOPER: No.

BAST: Look it's only your. . .

COOPER: He's not allowed to. . .

BAST: Was Nan with you?

COOPER: Yeah.

BAST: Oh, so, you said look, it's just the three of us, nobody knows, take it.

COOPER: That's the point, nobody's here. . .

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: . . . and I said, if you don't like Chivas Regal, uh . . .

BAST: We'll get you whatever you want.

COOPER: I said, no, I got it at the train station, so that he would know that I was the one in back of this whole thing. . .

BAST: Oh, I see that you're the. . . that Nan wouldn't take the. . .

COOPER: I . .  I carried it.

BAST: . . . credit, you took all of the credit.

COOPER: But I said I got it at the train station.

BAST: Yeah.

COOPER: So I said you go and exchange it for whatever you like. He says "Oh, I love this."  You know. . .

BAST: Beautiful.

COOPER: He was ecstatic.  So, it turned out to be for sixteen dollars and we may have made a life-long friend.

BAST: Oh, beautiful.

 

 


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