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Though Scientology does consider homosexual practices to be the expression of a distorted sexuality, it does not have strong edicts about it. It assumes that one would regain a more conventional sexuality has he gains more spiritual freedom through Scientology. If not, however, it does not make it a matter of banning. Scientology critics, however, use Hubbard's statement to imply the contrary, going as far as claiming Scientology considers that gays should be exterminated in concentration camps.


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In Scientology, homosexuality is considered an expression of "1.1 tone", an emotional tone midway between "fear" (1.0) and "anger" (1.5). The implication is that homosexuals prefer anonymous and indirect contacts to more open emotional involvement and responsibilities. The other implication is that, through Scientology "auditing", one would gain a more "normal" sexual behavior.

Scientology, however, does not dictate strict sexual behavior at this level, nor assigns blame for deviant behavior. The principle is that through the heightened awareness auditing is supposed to procure, each one will be more able to make his own decision of what he really wants and doesn't want.

It is true, however, that the tone of L. Ron Hubbard's writings on the subject is basically homophobic, even if, later on, he tried to balance his own statements. Even the implications above, that homosexuality is the result of a "low tone", and that gays would become "normal" as they proceed with the Scientology "therapy", may be considered as offensive to gays.

Scientology critics, however, have taken this legitimate criticism far beyond what it deserves and have turned it into a myth of their own, going as far as claiming Scientology advocates gays should be exterminated in concentration camps.

While fanatical interpretation of some of L. Ron Hubbards's writings in an hypothetic future Scientology-controlled society is of course always possible, critics omit to mention subsequent writings by Hubbard that pretty much cancel these statements. They also ignore the way this issue is actually being tackled with in the present-day Scientology.

This is what the letters below, written by a Scientologists in answer to a negative press article, points out.

As for anti-cultists, they have made a living demonstration of what would be THEIR "solution" to "deviant" behavior. In 1981, they kidnapped a lesbian girl and subjected her to debilitating treatment for no better reasons that her parents disapproved of her relationship and claimed she was therefore under "mind-control". This didn't happen in some hypothetic future society, but right here in our current western world.

Fab! Magazine
Los Angeles, CA.
November 24, 2000 - Vol. 6: 142
http://www.gayfab.com

I'M HERE, I'M QUEER, I'M A SCIENTOLOGIST! WE'RE NOT A CULT!


Keith Relkin, a gay Scientologist from West Hollywood, responds to Patrick Tsakuda's article in Fab! last month on the organization.

by Keith Relkin

Well it's about time someone noticed Scientology is "invading" West Hollywood ("Scary Scientology Saga, Fab! issue 140)!!! I just wonder why it took so long for you to realize WE are here!

That's right, I'm a Scientologist living in West Hollywood. I'm also openly GAY, very involved in the GAY community, GAY civil rights and AIDS activism... in case you were interested.

In fact, there are quite a few of us happy little Scientologists here. And considering that this community is confronted by the same problems of drugs, unhappy relationships and the stress of living which all communities are faced with, Scientology is likely to continue to catch on here... because those are the things Scientology addresses and has answers to.

But I just don't recognize the Scientology you describe in your imaginative article, Patrick! Of course, you are probably more familiar with it than I am... after all, I've only worked for three Scientology organizations, two in Seattle, one in Los Angeles, and I volunteer at the center in Beverly Hills. Most of my family are Scientologists. My "ex" is a Scientologist and a staff member in Beverly Hills. Many of my gay friends have taken Scientology and staff courses and been greatly helped with their relationships.

By contrast, we have the "facts" cited in your article...oops! I can't see WHY! The "quote" you attribute to L. Ron Hubbard is from a book that doesn't exist and the "Cult Awareness Network" you "quote" went bankrupt years ago from lawsuits. (Apparently they tried to deprogram a Catholic nun and the Pope wasn't too happy about that. But you should also be aware that deprogramming is often used on homosexuals in the form of "aversion therapy" and "conversion therapy." I guess anyone who doesn't agree with the maintstream is a "cult member" in certain parts of this country!)

[Note - actually CAN went bankrupt after they have been found guilty by an unanimous jury of favoring the kidnapping and "deprogramming" of a Pentecostal Christian, not a Catholic nun, and the Pope had nothing to do with it.]

The IRS ruled favorably on the religious nature of Scientology and its tax-exempt status years ago. Not sure how Fab! managed to miss that "minor detail" in their not-so-fab "fact checking department." Let's face it, YOUR story reads like science fiction.

So, just for fun, here's a REAL quote by L. Ron Hubbard, you know Patrick, from an actual book he wrote (can we say "library" Patrick?).

We Scientologists read this at the beginning of every Sunday service in every Scientology organization across the world: "Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is true according to your observation. That is all."

On a personal note, it was Scientology that got me off drugs. It was counseling from a Scientology chaplain that helped me deal with coming out as a gay man and how to handle that with my family and friends. It was a Scientology Communications course that gave me many of the tools to rebuild my personal and family relationships, and also greatly improve my dating life! But most of all, Scientology has given me the opportunity to handle the effects of the oppression that all gay people grow up with, and to regain self-confidence and self-respect.

What's more, Scientology has the most iron-clad, non-discriminatory policy I've ever come across regarding sexual orientation. Have there been abuses of this policy by people in the church who are ignorant of it, or who were raised in the Midwest? (Sorry, bad joke.) Yes! Of course! I mean, what planet are you living on? But whenever I have personally written reports on policy violations to church management, my reports were acknowledged and the offenders were untimately corrected. That's more than I can say for our U.S. government's record handling civil rights abuses of gays.

Fact: Approximately 60% of the population of California voted FOR the Knight initiative. We have alot of work to do! But just because Dr. Laura is Jewish doesn't mean all Jews are against us. Similarly, we have many allies in the Church of Scientology, many of whom are my dear friends.

I believe that we in the gay community have a responsibility to: (1) Educate and (2) Set a good example in what a gay is and does. It has been and continues to be my mission to forge stronger ties within the Church and to increase communication and understanding about who gay people are. The Church of Scientology of Beverly Hills is totally welcoming of the gay community, for example, and has frequently invited me to lead Sunday services there.

As to L. Ron Hubbard himself, he wrote hundreds of works over half a century on the subject of mind, education, drug rehabilitation and related subjects. If you, Patrick, pick an isolated quote from 1950, you will NOT understand what Hubbard had to say about homosexuality. Remember, in 1950, the American Psychiatric Association had homosexuality labelled as a "Mental Disorder." It took the work of Frank Kameny and the Mattachine Society many years to get them to change that finally in 1963. Yet, in 1967, two years before the Stonewall riots and only four years after the American Psychiatric Association stopped calling us mentally ill, and long before any other major church instituted policies of non-discrimination based on sexual orientation, L. Ron Hubbard wrote the non-discrimination policy I referred to BELOW in bold capital letters:

"It has never been any part of my plans to regulate or to attempt to regulate the private lives of individuals. Whenever this has occurred, it has not resulted in any improved condition... Therefore ALL FORMER RULES, REGULATIONS AND POLICIES RELATING TO THE SEXUAL ACTIVITIES OF SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE CANCELLED."

[Note - The APA removed homosexuality from its list of sexual deviations in 1973, not 1963. That would make the above quote six years before the APA move, not four years later.]

There are several points on which Scientology and the gay community totally agree: (1) Human Rights. There is zero tolerance in Scientology for any violation of human rights and you always have recourse in the Church if you feel that your rights have been violated. As I've said, I've used these on more than one occasion myself; (2) The committment to fight the drug problem in our communities. This is obviously not just a problem of the gay community, and pharmaceuticals are offenders as well as recreational drugs. Scientology has solutions to not only drug abuse, but to the toxic residuals which stay in the body for years afterward and can cause lasting physical and mental effects.

There are many gay Scientologists and there will doubtless be many more in the future, right here in West Hollywood, because Scientology's popularlity and visibility keeps growing. This is in no small measure due to the fact that Scientology upper management has made huge efforts in recent years to standardize all organizations so that they are uniform in their application of polcicies and procedures, which means that we, in the gay community, can expect the increased compliance with policies that affect us.

We're not living in the 50s or the Stonewall era. As a gay community, we should remember our past, but let's not live there. We've made incredible strides and it wasn't always due to our lack of skill in battle, but our diplomacy and skill in forging alliances. Haven't we had to do that all of our lives? Maybe, just maybe, it's time for a "reduction of hostilities."

For example, as a point of etiquette, calling someone's religion a "cult" is like yelling "faggot" out a car window while speeding down Santa Monica Boulevard. It does not promote a sense of compassion or tolerance. I suggest that we continue to be vigilant but also set an example of the tolerance we ourselves as gay people expect, and move into a better future for all of us, gay
and straight.

(see: http://on-line.scientology.org/cntinent/namerica/USA/florida/r.htm; and http://www.heal-la.org/alive.cgi?page=about&sub=thanks (link deosn't work anymore)

 

Fab! Magazine
Los Angeles
November 24, 2000
http://www.gayfab.com

PATRICK TSAKUDA RESPONDS TO GAY SCIENTOLOGIST KEITH RELKIN

Vicki Aznaran, one of the church's former leaders, told TIME magazine that Scientology is a "criminal organization, day in and day out. It makes Jim and Tammy (Bakker) look like kindergarten."

While I'm delighted that Keith has found that Scientology answers all his spiritual needs, the many accounts of those who have suffered severe psychological abuse (and financial ruin) at the hands of this cult, oops, I mean, church, are overwhelming.

For more information on this subject - check out the following website:
http://www.xenu.net

Regarding the quote from the book that doesn't exist - Hubbard wrote hundreds of bizarre books. I may have gotten the title mixed up. My bad.

However, in his book entitled "Science of Survival," L. Ron Hubbard penned the following little tidbit about homosexuals: "...such people should be taken from the society as rapidly as possible and uniformly institutionalized; for here is the level of the contagion of immorality, and the destruction of ethics."

According to the website I took this quote from, this pearl of wisdom, and many others, appears in "Science of Survival," Book 1, Chapter 13, page 102.

Page numbers may differ in various editions due to gradual changes being made to the original works of L. Ron Hubbard.

Can we say "library" Keith?

 

Fab! Magazine
Dec. 8, 2000 issue

LETTER TO EDITOR:

Dear Fab!

In his reply to Keith Relkin ("I'm Here! I'm Queer! I'm a Scientologist," Fab! issue 142), Patrick Tsakuda quotes Vicki Aznaran, one of the church's former leaders, who told TIME magazine that: "Scientology is a criminal organization, day in and day out. It makes Jim and Tammy (Bakker) look like kindergarten."

Unfortunately for Mr. Tsakuda, Vicky Aznaran happens to have made a 180 degree turn-about later on and retracted her previous allegations. Her retraction, together with her explanation on how apostates come to distort facts can be found at: http://bernie.cncfamily.com/Aznaran.htm

The quote Mr. Tsakuda then uses to refute Keith Relkin's argument is taken from "Science of Survival," a book written in 1951 - thereby completely ignoring Hubbard's quote of 1967 cancelling all former rules, regulations, and policies relating to the sexual activities of Scientologists, which Mr. Relkin used as a core of his argument.

Be fair to at least balance this anti-Scientology resource with more neutral ones such as:

http://bernie.cncfamily.com/ars.htm, or
http://www.religioustolerance.org/scientol.htm.

As Keith Relkin rightly pointed out, what counts is what the group is actually doing, more than whatever out of context paragraph is being quoted by the group's enemy. To take an example from another field, the Bible said in Exodus 35:2 - "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death."

What is the best way to assess the truth of the situation? This quote or the fact that nobody is being put to death for not respecting the sabbath?

If Mr. Tsakuda has actual examples of homophobic incidents on the part of the Church of Scientology, maybe his time would be better spent documenting these. If all he has are unsubstantiated allegations, anti-cult cliches, and out of context quotes, his work may may find a better place on the xenu.net website mentioned above rather than in a magazine which, I suppose, is set out, at least in part, to defend homosexual rights.

BERNIE
Bernie@bernie.cncfamily.com


Below is a post to the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup made by a Scientology critic. It describes a Scientology stand during the 2001 San Francisco Gay Pride Parade - confirming Keith Relkin's affirmation that there are gay Scientologists activists in this area. You have to take into account that the event is reported through the critics' bias and therefore strongly distorted. Note how the critic refers to Scientologists as "clams",  to L. Ron Hubbard as the "fat dead white guy", and to his writing as "hubspew".

Usenet post from the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology.

Source: Clam table at SF Pride Parade

germanpaymaster@yahoo.com (German Paymaster)

25 Jun 2001 12:42:14 -0700

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Clam table at SF Pride Parade
Message-ID: <8d0603d7.0106251142.728426fb@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.170.130.3

While walking along the sidewalk at the SF Gay Pride Parade this Sunday, I was surprised, given the Keystone Kult's views on homosexuality ("out-2D" and all), to find a couple of body routers out with E-meter, OCA test, and paperback Hubspew (including "Dianetiki" in Russian).

Since we were at Pride and all, I started out asking the (young and rather cute) body router whether Scientology held any doctrines about the acceptability of homosexuality. (My quotes are paraphrases; I wasn't expecting to run into a clambed and didn't have my Gandhi Tech surveillance devices with me.)

He weaseled and waffled and finally admitted that church doctrine considered homosexuality "less good" because it doesn't produce any children. Where is the next generation going to come from if everybody is off having non-procreative sex? (like that's going to happen!)

I tried the cans for the first time. He ran through a list of a few "problem areas" and asked me to "think hard about each one without answering". I found that I could control the needle on the meter easily (and invisibly, as far as I could tell) by gently adjusting the pressure with which I held the cans. I triggered "reads" on disease (which I figured would push some of his clam buttons), career, and "suppression".

Then we went over the results. When he asked me about "suppression" I mentioned that a friend of mine was having legal troubles, in fact he's a political refugee. When I mentioned that his name was Keith
Henson, clamboy said "I think I've heard of him". At that point I pretty much just wandered away.

Looking forward to my first picket on July 7th...

--
Love and encouragement,
The German Paymaster
(well, half-German... on my father's side)
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/
"The purpose of the lawsuit is to harass and discourage
rather than win." -- some fat dead white guy

 

Usenet post from the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology.

Source: Clam table at SF Pride Parade

barb <bwarr1@home.com>

Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:44:10 -0700

Message-ID: <3B37B0AA.A42FF96A@home.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:44:10 -0700
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.177.143.72

AAAARRRRhhhhhh! They were at the Pride Parade? My cod! I've never seen 'em at the one down here. This year I'll give away the rest of the "Scientology Hates Gays but Loves their Money" fliers at the event. Zinj and I gave out 500 of them two years ago with the come-on line, "Find out how Scientology abuses the gay community!"

Bunker, we're still waiting for that XenuTV...
--
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC
http://members.home.net/bwarr1/index.htm
http://www.geocities.com/bwarr_2000/ mirror site

"Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things to damage its own reputation."
-Steve Zadarnowski

"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as Scientology."
-ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"

 




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