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Whenever a Scientologist is posting in another newsgroup, critics are likely to jump in and aggressively attack him. This often backfires, as posters in these other newsgroups don't necessarily share the bigoted mindset that characterize so many critics. Here are two examples.



alt.flame.psychiatry
comp.sys.acorn.misc

alt.flame.psychiatry

In September 1999 critics invaded the alt.flamme.psychiatry newsgroup to attack a Scientologist that was posting there. Here is what one of the regular of this alt.flamme.psychiatry had to say:
 

Usenet post from the newsgroup alt.flame.psychiatry

Source; Why let Scientologists into this newsgroup

djamu@my-deja.com

22 Sep 1999 00:00:00 GMT

Message-ID: <7san98$8ue$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
Newsgroups: alt.flame.psychiatry

Mr. McKean [the Scientologist] has shown what the vast majority of ARS commandos have not; respect, humility and consideration. When Scientologists were politely asked to leave another mental-health related newsgroup by that group's regulars, they politely left. And as far as I know, they haven't been back since. All we've asked is that people from your newsgroup NOT flood this room with posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. You have every moral right to counter Mr. McKean's CCHR posts with related material that illustrates what you believe to be contradictions. You do not have the moral right to flood this room with taunting, insults and accusations.

Critics then trolled the newsgroup, impersonating a Scientologist to try and make him sound more obnoxious than critics. See the page on trolls.

comp.sys.acorn.misc

In 1997, critics tried to smear and discredit the editor of a computer magazine in the middle of the newsgroup he was posting to, for no better reason that he was a Scientologist. Regulars of this newsgroup were bright enough to see through critics' action and things backfired badly. Here is the post I wrote at the time to summarize the situation:
 

Usenet post from the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology.

Source: I'm a cult veteran -- and I'm one tough son of a bitch"

Bernie@bernie.cncfamily.com (Bernie)

Sat, 03 May 1997 19:45:50 GMT

Message-ID: <33b98f54.619000243@news.Belgium.EU.net>

stevea@castlsys.demon.co.uk (Steve A) wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:49:22 GMT, Bernie@bernie.cncfamily.com (Bernie) wrote:

>> Didn't you yourself post ramblings about the COS in an alt.comp newsgroup, Steve? Now that's for sure is most relevant... Or are you defining "relevant" as something that suits your one-sided crusade and "irrelevant" anything that may contradict it?

>I endeavour to make sure that every group in the Newsgroups: line is valid. Occasionally I forget to check where a post to which I am responding is being crossposted to; sometimes it is difficult to establish where in the list of groups a poster is posting from. However, when this is pointed out to me, I invariably restrict X-posts.

My my my, you sure would benefit from a little bit of memory improvement session from one of the cults, Stevie.

I can hardly belief that you can cover what you did in the comp.sys.acorn.misc newsgroup with such a lame pretext as "occasionally I forget to check where a post to which I am responding is being crossposted to". What you did was nothing less than the disgusting act of trying to smear and discredit the editor of a computer magazine in the middle of the newsgroup he was posting to, for no better reason that he was a Scientologist.

Forgot it all already? Then I need to refresh your memory with some of the reactions you encountered in there:

how can you critise the methods of the CoS when you are advocating similar yourself? To anyone here in c.s.a.misc you are ridiculous.

 

Tell me, those of you on alt.religion.scientology, do rants against individual scientologists usually spill over into newsgroups where a substantial number of people:

a) Know the individual personally
b) Frequently see postings from the individual
c) Have read editorials and articles by the individual for about the last ten years without noticing *any* bias towards scientological viewpoints

 

If he doesn't use his position to promote his views (and he doesn't), then his beliefs or affiliation are *not* relevant to us. We are certainly *not* justified in withdrawing support from Acorn User.


You even made the incredible blunder to "know better" the status of the people in a newsgroup that you obvious never read. You said:

"> I doubt it very much. You really aren't that important, you know.

No? Given that Steve Turnbull succeeded me at Acorn User (and you seem to consider him fair game) I'd like to know how you make that decision. ;-)

(Well, actually I wouldn't, which is why I've deleted c.s.a.misc from the newsgroup list. Come back when you've learned to argue ;-).


Your bigoted action of course had the exact reverse effect than the one you expected. Seems people in there are able to see through games such as yours rather well - fortunately:

it might cause some people to think: "Well if *Steve Turnbull's* a scientologist, perhaps it's not so bad after all.


Even the guy who started it all apologized and said:

I've never met Steve [Turnbull], he's probably a great person - I can see that he has many friends here.

I was surprised to read the extract from Steve's editorial about censorship. It contrasts with the actions of the CoS in trying to muzzle a.r.s.


And your trip in this newsgroup had another positive effect: it provided me with an excellent .sig from someone describing your action.

All bigots are unequal, but some are more unequal than others.


>What I do NOT do is to go off at the poster who pointed my error out, insist that if he doesn't want MY posts in HIS newsgroup, he'd better damn well find himself a new one with a watertight charter, or leave Usenet altogether.

No, of course you don't...

>There IS a difference, Bernie, though I doubt that you will ever see it. It's called "common courtesy".

How did you say it's called again?

Bernie

 



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