This is the transcript of an actual
IRC chat session. The
nick name of those who did not agree to have their nick used have been
reduced to the first letter only.
A newbie arrives in a channel populated by Scientology
critics. He has a Scientology-related question. After answering his question,
critics introduce him to Scientology.
Session Start: Sun Jun 06
(Krissandra@sdn-ar-002mnminnP317.dialsprint.net) has joined #scientology
The newbie logs in.
Green would be a fitting color for him :-)
<tomomi> : hey! can I ask
you "scientologists" a question? if you dont mind of course
Naturally, he thinks that the channel (called simply
"Scientology") is frequented by Scientologists. This isn't the
case. It is maintained and populated almost exclusively by critics.
The first subject is rather innocuous, but it will soon
get more interesting.
<D> : sure. But we have to
remove your brain first. don't worry, we'll give you a receipt.
<tomomi> : hehe, okay.
Well, a person in the "religion" channel was asking what Squirrels
meant. So I'm kind of curious as well
<D> : Squirrels are
apostates -- people who have altered the writings or practices set forth by
L. Ron Hubbard. You either do it Ron's way, or we'll hunt you down and ruin
<Zinjifar> : squirrels
are people who think they know better than a drunken megalomaniac and go
and make up their own stuff
<N> : to a member of the
Church of Scientology, a squirrel is someone
who has intentionally altered the writings of Scientology's founder, L. Ron
Hubbard. Being a squirrel is considered a 'high crime' in scientology
<tashback> : But don't
they basically use it to refer to anybody who practices Scientology outside
the auspices of the church?
<Zinjifar> : by the
way.. the current management of the Church of Scientology
is all squirrels. There *is* no pure hubbardism left
<D> : Squirrels are insane
criminals. They don't want anyone to get better. They try to subvert
Scientology for their own ends.
<N> : tash: again, a
'squirreled' meaning of 'squirrel' by the current Co$ INT EXEC Strata
<Zinjifar> : yeah.. the
leader of scientology perverted it to pay for a 32 hole golf course so he
and tommy cruise could play
<D> : Criticizing Hubbard
is itself a crime. Only squirrels do that.
<Zinjifar> : * Zinjifar
hums 'it's a squirrel world after all'
"Squirrel in fact only means someone who does not
apply Scientology "tech" per the book - whether in or out of the
church. It has little to nothing to do with "apostate",
"insane criminal", or "criticizing Hubbard".
An apostate is someone who deserts his
religion and doesn't necessarily practice it anymore. "Squirrels",
on the contrary, do practice one or other form of Scientology.
"Insane criminal" who
"does not want anyone to get better" is the definition of the Scientology
term of "suppressive person", not "squirrel".
As for "criticizing Hubbard",
it is false to say that "only squirrels to that". On the contrary,
"squirrels" usually still praise Hubbard to the point they continue
to practice his techniques even as they quit the church...
Even in a relatively innocuous topic such as this one,
thus, we see how critics tend to lump things together to make it more gory
than it really is.
But this is only the beginning...
OK - let's now switch to the real meat: the "secret
scriptures", "Scientology kills", and other myths prompt to
create the desired phobic impression.
<D> : while you're here,
would you like to know the biggest spiritual secret of Scientology? The
$180,000 stupendous revelation that Scientologists must undergo years of
preparation to learn?
<tomomi> : um, sure
<D> : okay, here it is.
Hope you're sitting down for this...
<tomomi> : k, I'm
<D> : L. Ron Hubbard
showed that all of us -- you and me included -- are possessed by the spirits
of murdered space aliens. But Scientology can teach you how to make
telepathic contact with these space aliens and shoo them away. You'll feel
much better when you do.
<N> : squirrels
must be disposed of quietly & without sorrow, along with folks who
denounce scientology, or have neurologic or endocrine disorders, or are
physically deformed, or are homosexual, etc...according to the writing of
L. Ron Hubbard
<tashback> : D, are you
sure tomomi is spiritually prepared to hear this?
<D> : you think I'm
joking? Think I'm making this up? I'm not. You can read it in L. Ron
Hubbard's own handwriting. www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/OTIII
tash: oops. Too late now!
<tomomi> : wait a second.
Are you saing that people with birth defects need to be disposed of?
<D> : it's okay. they'll
get reincarnated with new bodies and that way they won't be a drain on
This often happens on IRC chat. One person launches a
subject while another is still busy typing about the preceding subject. We
now have two subjects rolling: the "dispose without sorrow" one,
and the "alien spirits" story.
For the "alien spirits" story, see my
As for the allegation that "squirrels must be
disposed of without sorrow.... along with folks who are physically deformed
or are homosexual...", it makes it appear as if Scientology has a
Nazi-like precept of ethnic purging. This is utterly false.
L. Ron Hubbard did share the views prevalent in the 50's
regarding homosexuals. This, however, was corrected subsequently. See my
Gays and Scientology
page. He also did make the "quietly & without sorrow" statement
but in a completely different context and unrelated to "people who are
physically deformed..." The statement was related to the "tone
scale" (emotional level scale). Scientology critics interpret this
statement literally, while Scientologists give it a completely different
By all means, there is nothing near or far related to
killing people who have neurological or endocrine disorders, or are
physically deformed. This is a complete fabrication.
<N> : tomoni, if you
were a scientologist, and heard the confidential secret sci-fi story D is telling
you, you would be believeing that you could catch pneumoinia, or even die
just by hearing this tale...
<D> : what N is telling
you is absolute truth.
<tomomi> : whats your
<D> : we have the
documents. read 'em for yourself. www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets
<N> : tomoni: for the
'quietly & without sorrow' clause of Scientology, read 'Science of
Survival" by L. Ron Hubbard
<tashback> : Wait a
second. The tale is only dangerous if you hear it when you're close to
Clear, cuz you've been sensitized by then. It doesn't have any effect on
brutes like us.
Indeed. Tashback isn't the typical one-pointed critic.
She often tries to bring some moderation and accuracy in the pictures.
Before reaching the levels where the Xenu incident is
revealed, people have to reach the level of "Clear". A Clear,
according to Scientology, is someone who does not have a "reactive
mind" anymore. The reactive mind is where past traumatic incidents are
supposed to be stored and that part of the mind Scientology claims to be
responsible for our irrational behavior. "Normal" people are
supposed to be way below any awareness of the Xenu's incident effects because
the reactive mind has for consequence to reduce their general consciousness.
A clear, who is supposed not to have a reactive mind anymore, is, on the
contrary, supposed to be more vulnerable.
Furthermore, it isn't just reading the documents that is
considered to be dangerous, but more importantly running the processes
<D> : dst has personally received
numerous legal threats from Church
lawyers for the documents on that web site.
<Zinjifar> : we have
lots of proof hubbard took dope and pulled it out of his ass this is called
<tomomi> : close to
<D> : "Clear" is
one of the major stages of enlightenment in Scientology. You can get to
clear for about $40,000 at today's prices.
<tomomi> : So what makes
a person "worthy" of existence?
<Zinjifar> : being able
to pay for david miscavige's gold course
<D> : Ron said: "A person
is only worthy as he can serve others."
<tomomi> : okay, so you
have to PAY of enlightenment?
<tashback> : After you've
spent about $37,000, then the Xenu story gives ya pneumonia if ya hear it
without doing it right.
<D> : damn straight. And
at retail prices, too.
<N> : between being
recruited into Scientology...you gradually progress thru a 'self-help'
& counselling steps to the state of "Clear" - a being who no
longer has his own reactive (read 'evil') mind
The prices quoted by Scientology critics above are the
full prices of the individual auditing route. It indeed is expensive. What
they forget to tell you, however, is that most people do not take that route.
They take the training route. The training route is where you learn the
processes yourself and apply them to other students. This route is much
cheaper. What is more, Scientology encourages people to take this route
rather than the auditing route. Indeed, they claim that one is helped even
more by understanding how the processes work, and by helping others at the
<tomomi> : okay, are you
guys Scientologists or are you being sarcastic?
<Zinjifar> : we are as
much scientologists as they are
<N> : I was A
Scientologist for nearly 30 years
<D> : N is an
ex-Scientologist. tash and Zinj and I are critics of the cult, but what
we've told you is 100% true.
Funny this "100% true" and "absolutely
true". It sounds (and is) so cultish. A Scientologist would, on the
contrary, call the information provided a complete fabrication. The truth is
in between - while not being entirely false, the presentation that is being
made is so distorted that it has little to do with the reality anymore.
<tomomi> : True according
to Scientology or True as a fact?
<D> : as I said, we have
the documents to prove all this stuff, and a lot of it is now on the web.
True according to Scientology.
Scientology has very little connection to real facts.
<N> : according to
Scientology, no belief but Scientology's is true :)
<Zinjifar> : it's
impossible to be as sarcastic as the actual teachings of scientology
<tashback> : Tomomi, but
what happened in "religions" chat? Are they talking about
<tomomi> : One person was
for a little bit. So no one here is an actually believer in Scientology?
<D> : tomomi: Scientology
believers aren't allowed here.
Another myth - The myth of Scientologists not being
allowed to participate in critical forums.
Scientologists joining forum such as this IRC channel or the
alt.religion.scientology newsgroup (ARS) are often immediately attacked by
dozens or hundreds of Scientology critics who throws at them clichés they
have read on web pages. Their belief is often ridiculed. They have to endure
personal attacks. The Xenu story is systematically thrown at their face, even
though critics known it is considered by Scientologists as confidential and
While there has been advises for Scientologists to keep
away from these forums, some did post nevertheless. When they do not fit the
low picture critics would like them to fit into, they are accused of being
secret agent ("OSA') posters or having hidden motives.
The myth of "Scientologists are not allowed
here" fits at the same time
picture of a totalitarian cult that forces its members away from outside
justification as to why Scientologists don't usually come in these forums
of those who do come and score points 'in spite" of being
<N> : However,
Scientology is likely to be one of the best documented cults of the 20th
century...and many of those documents are on the web
<Zinjifar> : they send
their secret police in here
A corollary myth: if Scientologists participate on ARS or
IRC, it means that they are trained agents for the cult. In fact, anyone,
including outsiders, moderate critics, and moderate ex-members, who don't
tobe the invisible party line is promptly accused of being a subversive agent
of some sort or to have other unsavory motives. See
for a few examples. This is the kind of behavior that prompted the very
judicious remark of an outsider:
"This is the
problem I see with many, if not most scientology critics. If you disagree
with them, then you must be "one of THEM". Like arguing with a
<D> : their church doesn't
want them associating with us.
<Zinjifar> : but they
don't talk very good and can't type worth shit
Myth of the brainwashed cultist, unable to articulate any
cogent thought. See the
Scientologists webbed on my page and check out whether this is true or
<N> : occasionally a
real-live Scientologist wanders in here, but if they hang around for any
period of time, they learn too much and become an ex-Scientologist
Yet another myth. In three years, I have seen two
Scientologists quit the CoS as a result of reading ARS or IRC, and have seen
dozens who are on the contrary more involved in the movement than ever in
view of the distorted presentation made in these forums - which confirms to
them the CoS' claims as to the evil nature
of critics. I have even seen hard-liner critics join the CoS!
<D> : the murdered space
aliens bit is a big problem. Not to mention the occasional deaths of church
members at the hands of the church itself. Lisa McPherson being one of the
more recent deaths.
Here we are - the unavoidable subject of the death of
Lisa McPherson. It is also
presented here as just an occurrence of death among many, while in reality
there has been remarkably
instances in the nearly 50 years Scientology has been around.
<tomomi> : yeah, um, one
of my friends was explaining it to me, but not any of this
<N> : the so-called
Church of scientology detests what we do spreading word of the scams & criminal
actions of the cult...many of the real-life scientologists who find their
way here become former scientologists in short order
The same myth again. It isn't many at all, and it
certainly isn't in "short order" either
<Zinjifar> : actually it'd
be an insane totalitarian cult even *without* dead space cooties
OK. Now if you think the above isn't sinister enough,
watch out how it gains additional momentum by introducing
concentration camps and slave labor, which are again myths
since participation in Scientology is voluntary.
<Zinjifar> : they have
their own secret police, concentration camps, slave labor
<tomomi> : in America?
<Zinjifar> : and yes..
they say that if you belong that you have de-facto agreed to let them kill
Bwahaha!!! First time I hear that level of nonsense :-)
<D> : John Travolta is
under the thumb of this cult.
<Zinjifar> : yes, in america
<D> : tomomi: yes, the
concentration camps are in California.
<tashback> : You can have
a concentration camp as long as you're a religion in America.
<sigh> this is not the usual Tash here, but shows
how even reasonable critics can be drawn in the whole madness at times.
<Zinjifar> : we have a
satellite picture of it. Would you like to see it?
<tomomi> : sure
<Zinjifar> : lemme see
where I put it
<D> : they're called
"spiritual retreats" by the Scientologists.
<N> : the Church of Scientology
runs at least two forced labor camps inside the USA. One is in Clearwater,
Florida, the other is outside Los Angeles
<Zinjifar> : is the RPF
still in copenhagen
<tashback> : It's the
"Rehabilitation Project Force," RFP for short. It's for
Scientology staff members who earn the disfavor of their superiors. RPF,
<D> : the dead space
aliens bit comes from a document called OT III. It's several levels above
Clear. Most Scientologists don't know about the dead space aliens.
<Zinjifar> : of course..
we can't prove that they actually *kill* any of their people.. since so
A simpler explanation for the reason they can't prove it
is because it simply isn't true, but the "so many disappear"
argument serves both as a justification for the fact that they can't prove
it, and as yet another myth that serves to further drive in the paranoia and
<N> : Zinj: no recent
confirmation of the RPF in Copenhagen,
though it's on my agenda to discuss w/ Mainer
<Zinjifar> : most scientologists
don't know anything but that they are the only hope of mankind and if they
want to save the world they shouldn't ask questions
<tomomi> : Sheep
<Zinjifar> : no tomomi
dupes yes victims yes hypnotic rondroids yes but in general well meaning and
intelligent people who got scammed
the evil eye - the mind-control theory allows both ex-members and
relatives to explain why otherwise intelligent and even gifted persons get
enrolled in the "scam", and thereby effectively puts the
responsibility on the "evil cult".
<Zinjifar> : the saddest
things in scientology are the children
Yes - don't forget to include the poor children in the
picture. These, after all, go to "brainwashing
factories" where their mind are "hurt with thought-stopping
technique of word clearing".
<Zinjifar> : although
I'd bet that most of the public scientologist children get out. The ones
who are in the Sea Organization have a much harder time
<tomomi> : Sea O?
<Zinjifar> : since they
grow up away from real life
yes. Sea org
<D> : The Sea Org is
Scientology's version of the Gestapo
I started to worry that no one would bring in the Nazi
and the Gestapo. Thank you, D!!!
<Zinjifar> : they wear
funny sailor suits
<tomomi> : hehe
<Zinjifar> : did you see
the milenium episode about the postal worker cult?
I hoped someone would also bring in the trench coat cult,
but we only get the postal worker cult instead. Pity. If you still long to
associate Scientology with the trench coat cult, watch for worrying signs of
"the cult recruiting children to take
action against critics".
<D> : It's a paramilitary
organization modeled after the Navy, with fake ranks and uniforms and such.
<tomomi> : how is it that
people fall into this?
Now that's the
classical question, naturally stemming from such an
overblown and distorted presentation. To "make sense" on how people
can fall for something made as absurd, you per force need to bring in another
myth: the myth of
are deceived, manipulated, controlled until they can't see the real nature of
the "scam" anymore and have no remaining free will to escape from
the hold of the cult.
<Zinjifar> : they don't
get it all at once. They're fed it a little bit at a time, using hypnotic
methods that damage their critical abilities
<D> : there's a wonderful
book called The Road to Xenu that explains how people get involved. You can
read it on the web. Xenu is the guy who murdered all the space aliens in OT
<Zinjifar> : yeah.. Road
to Xenu is a good read
<tashback> : "Road
to Xenu" is a very good introduction to Scientology.
<Zinjifar> : it's
fictionalized in the sense of being the stories of a couple of people. not
*just* the author but it's all accurate
About as "accurate" as the above presentation,
<tashback> : Right --
It's a fictionalized account, but good read and good intro.
<D> : you can find Road to
Xenu at www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library
<N> : Jon atack's Total
Freedom trap is a good quick read, too
<tomomi> : hmmm
<N> : isn't Total
Freedom Trap in dst web site library too?
<D> : N: yes, it is.
<Zinjifar> : anyway..
about 4 years ago I sat down to read Road to Xenu and spent a couple of
hours reading with my mouth hanging open
Yes. Anticultists actually believe the whole thing. It's
not like if they are not sincere or well-meaning, and, in some respect, they
have valid points. It's just that they bring their recrimination so far that
they become the oppressor themselves, and sometimes turn out to be an even
bigger danger than cults themselves.
<tomomi> : ya know, if
they made all this Space Alien stuff into a movie, I bet I'd really enjoy
it. I know its completely off the subject, but it just crossed my mind for
OK - the indoctrination session is finished. We just
conclude now with a milder subject, like it started.
<tashback> : Tomomi,
speaking of that ...
<Zinjifar> : they're
making it into a movie :)
<D> : actually, Hubbard
did write it up as a screenplay, called "Revolt in the Stars". It
<Zinjifar> : a travolta
<tomomi> : bah
<Zinjifar> : Battlefield
Earth. Which is supposed to be science fiction
<D> : Battlefield Earth is
*not* OT III
<Zinjifar> : no.. that's
<N> : Hubbard allegedly
did write a screen play "Revolt in the Stars" which is
essentially his OT 3 story
<tashback> : Yeah, g4ess
<Zinjifar> : but it's
also consistent. The evil aliens are psychiatrists
<D> : the aliens in BFE
are psychiatrists? I thought they were Wookies.
<tashback> : 6h n6, cat
6n 2eyb6ard screwed 0y 2eyb6ard 4* aga5n!
: tash: now you are making sense ;-)
That's me :-) I have heard enough anyway.
By the way, Battlefield Earth came out as a film a few
months after this conversation. In their fear the film would be a success,
Scientology critics spread out unfounded (and false) rumors of it being full
of "subliminal messages".
The film, however, seemed to have been a genuine flop and film critics
laminated it - not because it was an adaptation of an L. Ron Hubbard book (as
film critics were quite harsh against Scientology critics too), but because
it probably was a very badly made film.
<Zinjifar> : they use
psychiatry to enslave earth
<D> : more "pussy in
the keyboard" problems
<tashback> : Darn,
wh\r]'s that 2ey t6 f5x th5s+
<D> : hahaha tash. now you
gotta buy a new computer.
<N> : D: turns out the
Psychlos (the aliens) fell many many generations ago under the spell of the
<Zinjifar> : or a new..
no I *won't* say it :)
<tashback> : N6, there's
a 2ey f6r th5s.
: 6=o 2=k
<D> : a 2ey for that? h6w
<Zinjifar> : hawaii 5-0
<tashback> : test test is
it fixed now? Hey, my cat musta restepped on the right key!
<N> : Jack Lord!!!
<tashback> : it's magic.
<Zinjifar> : * Zinjifar
hums 'my sweet lord'
<tomomi> : ah well,
thanks for answering my questions, but I've gotta go to bed
<Zinjifar> : book em N
<N> : bye tomomi
<Zinjifar> : nite tomomi
<tomomi> : bye!
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<D> : You can have your
brain back now.
What follows isn't relevant to the introduction of
Scientology anymore, but is only me discussing with the participants in view
webbing this rather typical
example of the the kind of presentation that is being made about Scientology.