Perry Scott:
>>>>Yeah, and people mock Christian beliefs like the virgin
birth, the divinity of Jesus, the Trinity, etc. Get used to it - bad
manners are everywhere. No, I don't call it "bigotry" and
"religious intolerance" when it happens to me.
Jack Craver:
>>>What do you call it?
Perry Scott:
>> Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by ignorance. Or
bad manners.
Jack Craver:
And if its not ignorance or bad manners?
Nick:
>Whether bad manners or whatever, this happens all the time. But you
don't see Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Christians or other Christian
groups leafletting communities with DA packs, trespassing, killing pets,
leaving death threats in Andreas' guestbook or whatever.
You are partly correct. Bob Minton has alleged trespassing, and the
dead cat is well, nonsense. I do see christians
making war and killing
people. I do see charasmatic televangalists performing "miracle"
cures
(and then begging for money). I do see christian scientists
sacrificing their children. I do see christian missionaries infecting
a culture, destroying it forever. I do see christians molesting little
boys and girls in sunday school.
And the history of christianity is saturated with blood, murder, and
more blood. and more *murder*. Not the accidental, mistake kind of
murder, but the intentional cold blooded, systemic, torture that
resulted in slow, painful death.
Some religion.
>Maybe not every Scientologist has experienced this very dark side of CoS, but that
doesn't mean it does not exist or that those who talk about disconnection,
fair game and yes, Hubbard's fascination with the Whore Of Babylon (why do
you think Helena Kobrin got that nickname?) are lying. That particular
Whore in Revelation, like the Beast and the number 666, have explicit
demonic connotations in the Bible and Christianity. "Demonic" means
satanic. This does not make CoS into a "satanic cult" in the usual
sense of explicit worship of Satan as in LaVey's First Church of Satan (but
Co$cn seems to do much more harm than CoSatan, which is why the latter is
not much of an issue). However, there is a strong influence in the cult of ideas, beliefs and methods which an orthodox Christian or Muslim would consider very much satanic. And one of the characteristics of this "small-s satanism" (as opposed to large-S which is e.g. the
La Vey group) is deception, the pervasive evil that tries to pass itself off as
good, as Robert Minton discusses in his essays (though I don't think he ties it
in with anything about Satan). If Hubbard just had a one-time dabbling in black magic regarding the Whore of Babylon but then pursued a totally unrelated path later, then this might not be relevant.
I think christianity is a satanic cult. After all, wasn't it the
christians that invented satan. Isn't satan good for christian
business? Isn't it the christians that continue this demonic facade
and make people afraid, so very afraid, of going to hell? Isn't it the
christians with the horrible, murderous history?
Christianity kills, and it has for centuries.
Well, I'm not buying this holier-than-thou BS that you are presenting.
Jack Craver:
>>>>>Perry is supposed to be a "CoS escapee". He's
been in Scientology. He *knows* Scn is *not* a "satanic cult".
>>>>As I stated in the another post, "satanic" is a
specific Christian concept embodying evil intent. Scientology has Espees. Christianity
has Satan.
>Scientology also has "Psychs", who in the cult's
"theology" are believed to have much of the characteristics that Christians and Muslims
ascribe to Satan and demons. One might also say that Xen_u serves a devil-like
role in CoS. Just because they use a different name does not mean they
don't have a similar concept.
Sure. "one might say" many things. Psychs and Sp's are human.
Your
silly satan and his demons are supernatur and eternallly evil. But I
suppose that these fundamental facts have *nothing* to do with your
righteous comparison of psychs and sp's to christian devils and satan.
Eh?
>In fact, the traditional belief about
Satan holds that the devil masquerades as an angel of light, i.e. deceives people into thinking
that it is actually something good and desirable. The idea of selling a "Bridge to Total Freedom" that is instead slavery is very
demonic, whether or not there is an explicit reference to the name "Satan".
One also should note the references in OT 8 identifying Hubbard with Lucifer
and antichrist.
Ok, you show it to me and I'll note it.
>>> this abuse seems to go hand-in-hand with religions in general.
Christianity included. Miami has recently seen yet another priest arrested
for molesting children.
>> The Catholic Church is actively working on the abuse by priests.
What is Scientology doing?
That's what they say. And they have been saying that for quite a while.
In the meantime, children in sunday school are being molested.
>>> If the Michael Pattinson story is true, then I am glad to see this on your site. Abuses should not be ignored.
>> Thank you. With people like you, there is hope for Scientology.
>>>>Is that Satan's agenda, Jack?
>>>Satan is apparently unavailable to me at this time. I will try
back later to ask him this question. One of the good things about having no gods is, having no
devils.
/end rant
So nick, what do you think now? How does it feel to have your
religion's beliefs and concepts and actions distorted?
'Cause ya see, I don't believe most of what I wrote in this post. Just
playing the devils advocate.
Any position is defensible. But because you can make an argument,
doesn't mean that argument is true.
Scn is no more a satanic cult than the boy scouts are.
Quit trying to figure out stupid reasons and angles and tell the
truth, if you know it.
jack |
