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In answer to yet another instance where an outsiders dared to make a critical comment against critics and was, as usual, promptly flammed and accused of being a Scientology plant, kEvin, one of the few reasonable posters remaining in newsgroup, makes an excellent assessment of ARS.


Usenet post from the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology.

Source: The cult blinks

me@primenet.com (kEvin)

15 Jun  99

Message-ID: <7l0ctg$498$1@nnrp03.primenet.com>

>>Susan <sverardi@lawyer.com:

>>I didn't make any threats. But Safe and other in the scientology newsgroup  bitch and moan about the "murderous cult" and panicked at the thought of  them learning Safe's identity. I just happened to notice that the so-called  murderous cult has not lived up to its nickname among the anti's and that  Safe is continuing to post with ATT after you all went on and on about how   much business this was going to cost the company. Just thought it was   interesting that Safe was so "scared" before they knew his identity, and now  he continues to post from the same server, without the anonymity.   I know nothing at all whatsoever of scientology or what it is supposed to  have done and why people consider it a cult. So you can insinuate all you  want. That seems to be a favorite tactic of you and your ilk. Associate  your critics with your enemy. Not my problem though.

Feadog <feadog@snip.net:
>So you're a troll, a transparent, or clueless. Whatever the catagory...

<plonk!>

me@primenet.com (kEvin):

That's a non sequitur, Feadog. It's unfortunate too.

I see that a person from misc.legal has, in accord with ancient net.tradition, posted a flame complaining about the appropriateness of a post.

In a sad commentary on the decline of ars, this person was insulted and with no evidence whatsoever, accused of being immoral, deceptive, posting with a hidden cult agenda and being a generally bad person for complaining that the minutia of Grady's case were not relevant to a group devoted to legal discussions that devolve into flamewars about gun control.

I'm appalled.
 

Scientology[tm] was gifted with a genuine BigWin[tm] when the crew on ars stopped being known as rational, responsible advocates for freedom of speech and became known as rabid hairtrigger flamers collectively referred to as "anti's.


Scientology[tm] was gifted with a genuine BigWin[tm] when the crew on ars stopped being known as rational, responsible advocates for freedom of speech and became known as rabid hairtrigger flamers collectively referred to as "anti's." Think about that for a second. The ars crew is now defined by opposition to Scientology[tm] and not by association with higher principles. This is a long way down the road to casual dismissal. "Oh yeah, Scientology[tm] did some thing or the other and the *anti's* started flaming me because I said it didn't look that bad." It's not a good reputation; it's not effective at conveying my views. It's not at all unusual considering that most of the discussion on ars is now conducted by rabid hairtrigger flamers.

I know that this will annoy a lot of people, but I've come to the conclusion that Scientology[tm] does do some good. I'm still a critic. I still don't think there's any possible justification for their abuses, and the sporge has been pissing me off to a greater degree each day (I've been active on USENET for over 15 years and it bothers me greatly to see an attack on the network itself) but stepping back to look at the image that ars presents, it's become obvious to me that it's not a good image.

I think that mindlessly opposing Scientology[tm] is as bad as mindlessly promoting it. Anything done mindlessly is a mistake, and many here are mindless in their opposition. I don't feel I can abandon the fight and I don't think I can flame anyone into having a clue, but I hope I can get some of you with usable brains to put them back into gear. Paranoia and flames do not promote any cause. Spurious accusations discredit solid ones. Outsiders do not feel welcome in ars and that is extremely bad for its ability to disseminate information.

As an analogy, let me compare ars to the various Scientology[tm] forums on the net. The various forums have ceased to work as recruiting tools for Scientology[tm] because their paranoia leads them to accuse anyone asking a question of being an ars plant who's joined that forum to cause trouble. Many of the difficult questions do come from well informed troublemakers, but some are innocently asked by potential recruits. Scientology[tm]'s inherent paranoia leads the other forum participants to bar the questioner and treat all newcomers with suspicion. They don't look good to the potential recruits who are greeted with suspicion and hostility instead of calm answers and genuine willingness to talk about the issues that were raised. ars has become almost as bad. People who question perfectly appropriate things, like whether detailed discussions of Grady's case belong in misc.legal, are not answered by arguments about the appropriateness of the topic to that newsgroup but instead are answered with accusations of being ignorant, of being a cult plant, and with other hostile and inappropriate responses. I don't think ars comes off as badly as the Scientology[tm] forums, but it doesn't look good. This can change if more people understand how badly it comes across.

Let me suggest the following simple suggestions for improving the image of the newsgroup:

button1.gif (755 bytes)If there's any possibility that a question or gripe is voiced by an outsider who legitimately wants a response, respond politely and address the specific question or gripe.

button2.gif (785 bytes)If it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the questioner is an OSA operative who kills pets for fun and is trying to cause trouble with their posting, respond politely and address the specifics of the question or gripe. Optionally, add a factual statement of the evidence against them and a link to more details.

button3.gif (745 bytes)When ranting, do not crosspost.
 

button4.gif (786 bytes)Speak to others as if you have already been identified as a member of a group of looney tune flamers who make spurious accusations and take steps to ensure that your credibility depends on objective and verifiable sources rather than your say so. (This is good advice even if one is not viewed as having suspect credibility because over reliance on one's word rather than objective and verifiable sources is a bad habit and weakens one's argument.)

button5.gif (780 bytes)Don't accuse anyone of working for OSA unless you have evidence from off the net. Scientologists[tm] in good standing are the people most in need of information from ars and are also the most likely to appear as if OSA operatives designated to cause trouble.

button6.gif (791 bytes)If you can't *prove* an accusation is true, don't make one.

 

 

Christine Bailey Richard Kevin



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