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Early on in the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup I got indications that Scientology critics were about as cultish as the cultists they decried. This is one of the early threads I could observe this at work - critics being unabled to factually address and answer a very simple question on the part of David Mayo.


I only caught the last few posts of David Mayo when I arrived in mid 1996. Mayo came out as the same brilliant mind and pleasant personality I knew him to be through his attempt at creating a parallel Scientology in the 80s. One thing struck me when I arrived in the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup (ARS). Mayo asked a genuine and simple question. The problem was (as I found out later is so often the case in ARS when you ask for specifics), that the answer never came - only more rant from people who obviously prefer to stick to generalities and suggestions than critically get down to the facts. I tried to summarize this strange "Q&A" in a single post at the time. Here it is:

Usenet post from the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology.

Message-ID: <More (or less) of My Beliefs (was Re: Ease Off?

David Mayo <mayo@lightlink.com>

1996/06/07

Message-ID: <4p9bmp$c4m@light.lightlink.com>

David Mayo:

Thank you Bernie, whoever you are, the following is an excellent compilation of what occurred on these threads. You did a better job of this than I could have and I appreciate that. I too, await the answers of either Dave Bird or efischer to my questions which you have SO clearly laid out below.

>>>>>>>David Mayo:

>>>>>>>I do not think that I am cultishly inclined but I would like to know of any cultish characteristic that you have perceived in me so that I can correct it.

>>>>>Bernie:

>>>>>I would have been interested if someone answered the questions of DM. Seems that nor ef nor you [Dave Bird] can satisfy my curiosity here. I thought you guys were specialists in mind control.

>>>David Mayo:

>>>Yes, I too, would have been interested if either efischer or Dave Bird would answer the question instead of merely continuing their unsubstantiated assertion that my beliefs and/or practices are harmful -- especially when they have failed to comment on *any* of the beliefs that I have stated in this newsgroup and have no idea what my practices are!

>>Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine

>>If you think I've drifted off track from some original questions, perhaps you could re-state them? What I have done is take up the challenge and opportunity in your question "well, why SHOULD I abandon Hubbard's tech?" (What is wrong with it that I should not continue developing it). I have tried to say what is IMO wrong with Hubbard's tech -- I don't know to what extent you still uphold that tech -- and if you wish me to respond on your current beliefs different from Hubbard's tech then please remind me what they are. I am not saying "damn you, David Mayo, you definitely believe all the things I find fault in"; merely finding fault in standard tech, and asking whether you agree with those faults.

>Bernie:

>No no no Dave. The questions are straight above under your eyes, no need of re-statement. We are *not* speaking here about the tech or believes here, but about *cultish_behavior*. I would like to know what cultish behavior DM displayed (because I never saw any), and DM wants to know because he probably would like to improve himself. But you are not helping him in this direction, you are making accusation in such a way that he can't learn from them. So, did you recover from your illness and can now answer the question which is straight above here? Or maybe you did already in some other post I didn't see.

>>>Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine:

>>>I said in my post that I was tired and ill, and not capable of doing the matter justice in the present article but  would attempt to do so in a later one.

>>>I will send you oranges, Dave, because you probably are still sick: you didnt answered any single question of DM here.

>>I am doing my best to address the subject of my doubts about the tech bit by bit.

>No! no, no, no and no. The question is *not* about the tech, it's about alledged cultish behavior displayed by David Mayo (see above).

[snipped the whole discussion about the tech, because it's getting a bit confused]

>>>Bernie:

>>>Well, I hope you get soon well enough and, secondarily, address at least one of his question.

>>Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine

>>I can't remember what they were.

>What did DM specifically do that you can qualify as cultic (see on top of this p/m)?

>>But I think you will agree I am addressing **the** questions on separability of tech from its authoritarian purposes.

>Yes, kind of, but frankly I am more interested by the first question.

Which answer of course, never came. It puzzled me at the time, but I learned later that there is no reasons to expect anticultists to be any more logical then cultists, as they really share the same mindset.


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