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Debunking the Myth of Mind-Control

DSM-IV

The concept of "cult mind-control" has been removed from DSM-III when it moved on to DSM-IV. It also has been removed from the Merck Manual. DSM-IV and the Merck Manual are two highly regarded psychiatric references. During the newsgroup debate, Monica Pignotti quotes extensively from these two to show how this is not the case, but she fails to see that none of them mentions CULT mind-control. Diane Richardson points this out.


Diane Richardson <referen@bway.net>

14 Apr  97

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=234854196

Monica Pignotti <Pignotti@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Diane Richardson wrote:

>> If you don't believe the evidence I've posted here, there's a simple test you can do for yourself to see if the brainwashing/mind control hypothesis is accepted -- find a DSM-IV and look up what it says about cult mind control. You won't find anything -- not a word.

>You're wrong here, Diane. Here is a direct quote from DSM IV under "Dissociative Disorders" 300.15 Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified. Check it out for yourself. It says (DSM IV p. 232 Desk Reference): "3. States of dissociation that occur in individuals who have been subjected to periods of prolonged and intense coecive persuasion (e.g., brainwashing, thought reform, or indoctrination while captive)."

>Note the use of the words "brainwashing" and "thought reform" that you seem to think have been deleted.

But where's the word "cult", Monica? I was asking about what the DSM-IV says about CULT MIND CONTROL What you quote here is limited specifically to those being held "captive."

Why the word "captive," Monica? Where's the word "cult"?

Were you holding people in prison as you audited them? Were public Scientologists[tm] you audited held against their wills behind bars? I don't think so.

Compare the DSM-IV entry to what was stated in DSM-III under "atypical dissociative disorder":

"trance-like states, derealization accompanied by depersonalization, and those non-prolonged dissociative states that may occur in persons who have been subjected to periods of prolonged and intensive coercive persuasion (brainwashing, thought reform, and indoctrincation while the captive of terrorists or cultists)."

NOTE, Monica, deletion of the word "cultists" from the current diagnostic criteria. Why do you suppose that word was deleted? A typo, perhaps?

>> If you can locate a copy of the DSM-III, you'll find the classification "Other Dissociative Disorders" includes "trance-like states . . . . while the captive of terrorists or cultists." That "disorder" is no longer recognized by the APA.

>See my quote above, from DSM IV. that I have sitting here right in front of me. If you don't believe me check it out for yourself.

Monica, I "checked it out" long before I posted my statement. I also checked out the DSM-III criteria. I noted the difference. I noted the deliberate deletion of the word "cultist," which limits the diagnosis to those being held in captivity.

I am also familiar with the discussion that occurred while the DSM-IV criteria were being formulated. Although I can understand why you are so intent on misrepresenting this matter (after all, you have a financial interest in maintaining public belief in "brainwashing"), I'm not at all sure why you believe I'm so easily duped.

Perhaps you don't care whether you convince me or not. I imagine you're more interested in the larger audience -- all those poor victims just waiting for you to rescue them from their mental illness -- at a pretty good price (do you charge $1,000 a day like Hassan? or do you do it cut-rate?)

Hey, I'm just "telling it like is," Monica. If you believe you have the right to condemn Jeffrey Hadden as a "moral coward" because he may have accepted payment for one declaration, I can apply that same criticism to you!

>> If you'd like to continue your own investigation of this matter, obtain a copy of the Merck Manual, a major reference for health professionals. Try to find any references to cult-induced disorders in that book.

>It is mentioned in Kaplan & Saddock's latest edition of "Synopsis of Psychiatry" which is one of the most widely-used and respected textbooks on psychiatry & DSM IV. They have a whole section on cults and on brainwashing under "Religious or Spiritual Problem" (7th Edition, p. 801). The section entitled "Brainwashing" states:

I'll check out the entire entry in their Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry tomorrow, Monica, and check to see what you've left out.

>"First practiced by the Chinese Communists on American prisoners in the Korean war, brainwashing is the deliberate creation of culture shock. A condition of isolation, alienation and intimidation is developed for the express purpose of assaulting ego strengths and leaving the person to be brainwashed vulnerable to the imposition of alient ideas and behavior that would usually be rejected. Brainwashing relies on both mental and physical coercion. All people are vulnerable to brainwashing if they are exposed to it for a sufficient length of time, if they are alone and without support, and if they are without hope of escape from the situation." (Kaplan & Saddock, p. 801)

Where's the mention of "cult mind control," Monica? I'm waiting. . . Did you forget to type in that part?

Or are you now admitting that "brainwashing" is not recognized as a cult phenomenon? I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. Are you saying that cult members are not brainwashed, or are you saying that cult members were held prisoners against their will?

>Under "Cults", the Kaplan & Saddock say: "Cults are charismatic groups that can affect participants in adverse ways, which may eventually bring them into contact with the mental health care system. Cults are characterized by an intensely held belief  system and ideology that are imposed on their members' freedom of choice to leave the group, and by a profound influence on the members' behavior" (Kaplan & Saddock, p. 801)

Where's the discussion of "cult mind control," Monica? I'm still waiting. . . .

>Another excerpt on the same page: "Cults are invariably led by charismatic personalities, who are often ruthless in their quest for financial, sexual, and power gains and in their insistence on conformity to the cult's ideological belief system, which may have strong religious or quasireligious overtones. [this next part is really going to surprise you, Diane] Exit therapy has been developed to guide cult members out of the group, provided their lingering emotional ties to persons outside the cult can be mobilized."

I'm still waiting for that discussion of "cult mind control," Monica. Where is it? Where's the commentary on the use of "brainwashing/mind control/thought reform" techniques by cults?

>This textbook has nothing to do with AFF or any other anti-cult organization. Here is a very well respected and accepted source, Kaplan & Saddock that does indeed, not only recognize the cult phenomenon but

Where does it mention the cult phenomenon of mind control?

>also recognized exit counselling!

But where does it talk about an exit counselor combatting cult mind control (to use Steve Hassan's phrase)? You haven't quoted anything about that, Monica.

>You have apparently been blinded by your own preconceived ideas and selectively quoting only the references that support them.

No indeed I have not, Monica. I used to refer to Kaplan and Sadock (the Comprehensive Textbook, however, not the condensation/study guide you're quoting from) almost daily while I was battling it out with Cory Brennan over her anti-psych stuff. I remember reading that section quite well, and I seem to think you may have left out certain paragraphs you'd rather not admit exist. I'll check tomorrow and get back to you on it.

>><snip>
>> There's nothing hysterical about my claims. I have posted several excerpts from papers debunking the mind control myth. I have many, many others, which I'll be glad to post as long as you agree to hold up your end of the bargain and read and comment upon them.

>You are posting very selectively only the passages that support your point of view and ignoring others.

If that's your belief Monica, then be my guest. Post material that supports Margaret Singer's "mind control" theory.

What's keeping you? You certainly haven't done that yet.

Diane Richardson
referen@bway.net

Upon checking, it appears that Monica Pignotti quoted Kaplan & Saddock's latest edition of "Synopsis of Psychiatry" in such a way as to imply that they agreed with the concept of cult mind-control. Diane points to the deceptive approach since each respective references are in two separate, unrelated sections. See the Kaplan and Saddock page.

 


Defense Introduction - Announcement - William's Sins Bainbridge - Timothy Miller - Hunts Attack - Robert Jay Lifton - Pattern of Defense - Loaded Language - Margaret Singer - DSM -1V - Clark's Defense -Kaplan and Saddock - Sociologist Vs Psychologist - Milieu Control - Hugglung's Reaction  Salibo on Singer - APA Statement - The Rabbits Foot



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