Home - News - What's New - Quick Map - Site Map - Search - Contact


Debunking the Myth of Mind-Control

Sociologists & Psychologists

Martin Hunt now resort to the only "evidence" that remains: anecdotal evidences. He also tries to dismiss Diane's evidences because they come from sociologists and not psychologists. Diane says she will post evidences coming from psychologists and psychiatrists too.


Diane Richardson <referen@bway.net>

15 Apr  97

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=235068289

martinh@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt) wrote:

>referen@bway.net (Diane Richardson) wrote:

>>If you don't believe the evidence I've posted here, there's a simple test you can do for youself to see if the brainwashing/mind control hypothesis is accepted -- find a DSM-IV and look up what it says about cult mind control. You won't find anything -- not a word.

>I have been brainwashed. Evidence for its existence is not required to convince me of something I have been through. You may as well try to convince me that I am not a Canadian.

I understand you now. "What's true for you is true." "It's true because I've tried it and it works." For one who places faith in scientific rationality, your logic sounds strikingly similar to those who say "The Bible says it. I believe it. My mind's made up."

I'm not surprised that you've finally admitted the basis for your belief in brainwashing comes from subjective personal experience rather than from any rational analysis of data. What I am surprised about, however, is that you are willing to admit this after ridiculing those who base a belief in a Supreme Being on similar grounds.

>>If you can locate a copy of the DSM-III, you'll find the classification "Other Dissociative Disorders" includes "trance-like states . . . . while the captive of terrorists or cultists." That "disorder" is no longer recognized by the APA.

>Don't they also specifically mention brainwashing in DSM, as has been quoted and cited by Monica Pignotti?

The APA deliberately removed any reference to cults in the diagnosis. I asked Rob Clark to find any reference to "cult mind control" in the DSM-IV. Monica Pignotti has posted the DSM-IV entry, which does not include any mention of cults.

I have posted the DSM-III entry for the same disorder, which *does* include a mention of cults. This change is not the result of oversight or whim, it was a deliberate decision made, discussed, and voted upon by the membership of the APA.

>>I have repeatedly, even yesterday, stated here that I regard Margaret Singer as a highly regarded clinical psychologist. From all reports I've heard, she has helped more ex-cult members get back on their feet than any other person in the world.

>>But excellent as a clinician does not make one an outstanding theoretician. Margaret Singer is no theoretician.

>Yes, and Hadden, Bainbridge and his ilk are no psychologists. What is the purpose in using sociologists to combat and dismantle the expertise of a psychologist? Are you trying to say that sociologists are in some way superior to psychologists? At first glance, I'd assume that experts in the correct field would be more apropos for the basis of your argument.

I was posting excerpts from the works of sociologists because this thread began with a discussion of Professor Hadden's website. Professor Hadden is a sociologist. You have now altered your request for information to include only information written by psychologists.

Are you willing to accept papers written by psychiatrists as well? Or do you wish me to include only research performed by psychologists, excluding all others?

I will also point out that neither Monica Pignotti nor Steven Hassan are psychologists. Monica is qualified as a social worker, not a psychologist. Steve Hassan is qualified as a guidance counselor, not a psychologist.

>>I'm not angry, Martin. Generally, I'm laughing uproariously at the absurdity of the arguments I face as I answer these posts.

>I'm glad you at least admit this.

I'm still laughing.

Diane Richardson
referen@bway.net

 


Defense Introduction - Announcement - William's Sins Bainbridge - Timothy Miller - Hunts Attack - Robert Jay Lifton - Pattern of Defense - Loaded Language - Margaret Singer - DSM -1V - Clark's Defense -Kaplan and Saddock - Sociologist Vs Psychologist - Milieu Control - Hugglung's Reaction  Salibo on Singer - APA Statement - The Rabbits Foot



Random Quote :

Disclaimer :

This web site is NOT created by a Scientologist. It is created by a Scientology EX-MEMBER who is critical of Scientology. However, this ex-member is ALSO critical of the anti-Scientology movement. This does not make him a Scientologist, nor a defender of Scientology.

Quick Map :

About Myths Bigotry Anti-Cultism Criticism Third Way Links
Home
Site map
Search
What's New
Contact

Story
Q&A

 

Overview
2Questions
3Types
What

Doctrine
Xenu
Gays

Control
Kills
McPherson
Bashaw
Manson
RPF

Harrassment
Bomb
Sporgeries
Earthlink
Profit
Legal

 

Logic
Cat
Critic

 

Attacks
Clams
Hate
Christmas
Invasion
Trolling
Harassment
Violence
Award
OSA


Dissenters
Attacks
IRC
Plants
ARS

Tenets
Mind-Control
Subliminal
ACM

Discrimination
Jews
Kids
Germany
France
Trafalgar
Deprogramming

Who's Who
Cooper
Minton
Henson
Hartwig
Who

 

Experiences
Pro&Con
Dream

Questions
What Is?
Works?
Scam?

Testimonies
Sasha
Robin
Unindoctrinated

Cultism
Mirrors
Manhatan

The Tech
Key
Medical
Excalibur

Celebrities
Cruise
Celebrities

 

Scholars
Article
FBI
Papers

Moderates

Critics
Rebecca
Diane
Peter
DeadAgent1
Judy
Newbies

Ex-Members
Wolf
Jack
Claire
David
Kymus
Bernie
Interviews 

Scientologists
Enzo
Freddie
RonsAmigo
Wonderflur
Whippersnapper

Scientologists Speak
Freddie
EJ

 

ACM
Personal
Pathless