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>>>[Bernie:]
>>>RPF is an extreme,
almost last-hope measure. I think that very few
people are assigned to it.
>>>The only sign of RPF I ever saw was in Danemark, when I had to
temporary stay at the same place in which they
lived. There were about 2 or 5 people in it. They
weren't locked in basements neither tortured, as
some people would like us to believe. They could
"blow" any time they wanted - and so did
they, actually.
>>>Is there any
ex-members posting to this newsgroup who actually
experienced the RPF? Maybe. I just don't remember
ever having read about it. If so, what is the
percentage between those who did and those who
didn't?
>>>I was never sent to
the RPF, even though I told straight in the face of
Jane kember's direct assistant: "I want to
leave, please route me out". I also don't know
any of my friends who were sent to the RPF, although
many experienced difficult living and working
conditions - both as SO staff and non-SO staff.
>>>[...]
>>>And don't forget
that the RPF is always voluntary. Not in the sense
that someone would volunteer to go there, of course,
but in the sense that no one is physically coerced
into it. It's all part of the general agreement
(kind of). In the army, if you do something that the
sergeant doesn't like, you are sent to the gaol or
made to carry heavy bags of stones for hours. This
can be arbitrary too. If you don't like it, you can
always resign from the army (not always, though).
>>>[...]
>>>Many Scn ex-members
who were not in the SO also come up with horror
stories, Ex-Moonists come up with horror stories,
ex-nuns come up with horror stories, ex-husband and
ex-wife come up with horror stories. I guess that
probably about ex-anything may come up with horror
stories.
>>>OTOH, many who were
in the SO don't make such a ram dam about it. Take
David Mayo, for example. He also was a SO member in
a SO environment, if it were. Some of the current
stories being told comes from him (running around a
tree, etc). Yet, he recounted them as objectively as
he could, and does not engage in endless moaning
about these incidents. I have no problem with his
attitude whatsoever. He brings a balance in his
criticism and does not try to use the incidents he
reports to paint an overly black pictures of the COS
at large. He does not try to picture the COS as an
organization locking people in the basement or
torturing them in the RPF, pushing people to suicide
or entrenching themselves in armed camps. The same
goes for many other SO ex-members and non-SO
ex-members who have at heart to be accurate in their
description and who object to critic's abuses with
the same strength they do about abuses from the COS.
>>>A few exceptions
apart, most of these more moderate ex-members do not
post in this NG for good reasons. When they do, it's
often short lived. What's the use of trying to
convince people who are only interested of having
villains they can righteously fight?
>>[DeoMorto:]
>>I did the RPF in
Clearwater some parts of it were unpleasant, some
parts of it I enjoyed - the co-auditing for example.
Funnily enough I think that it was a lot less
stressful than being on post. Do I think it was
slave labor? I think it can be looked upon that way
and I certainly think that as an operating system it
can easily turn into that.
>[Bernie:]
>What it can be
turned into is the real crux of the matter.
Currently, people can just walk out of the RPF and
blow. If, however, Scn would gather enough power to
impose coercive means on those on the RPF, then we
may start to seriously worry about it. Until then, I
view claims of people being chained in the basement
and being tortured in the RPF as anything short of a
true picture.
[DeoMorto:]
I have seen a lot of the RPFs - in PAC,
Flag, UK and EU and I did the RPF at Flag - on no
occasion, and I mean on no occasion did I ever see
any physical abuse. |
