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Posts from various Scientologists to the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup. You will hardly ever find the posts below on the "critical" sites.


A world of hate and fear
Clams

 


A world of hate and fear
Bill W5877 vs. Grady Ward


From: billw5877@aol.com (Bill W5877)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mike Rinder and Scientology
Message-ID: <1998061801455100.VAA03606@ladder01.news.aol.com>

[snip]

Grady Ward:
>No. The core of scientology *is* the harassment of critics and the
>criminal acts that surround the criminal cult. You peel that away like
>an onion and underneath it all you find -- nothing.

Mr. Ward,
On reading your post several words come to mind:

"IGNORANCE"
You are woefully ignorant of what lies at the "core" of
Scientology and in your blind ignorance assume that
because you do not know what is there, there must
be nothing there.

"ARROGANCE"
You’re ignorance is only outdone by your arrogance.
Living in your little world of hate and fear you actually
have the arrogance to believe you have ANY clue what
Scientology really is?

In your arrogant ignorance, you believe that, "The core of
scientology *is* the harassment of critics and the
criminal acts that surround the criminal cult." You
believe that the sun circles the earth and that you as a critic
are at the core of Scientology. I am amazed that you appear
to have no slightest clue as to how far off into never never
land you have drifted. You need to differentiate between
"critic" and "attacker." These are very different concepts.
Do you really feel you and your psychopathic friends
should be freely allowed to illegally attack the intellectual
property rights of others and launch scathing, slanderous,
poison pen attacks against my church without repercussions?

Why have you stripped away your conscience and permitted
yourself to fall for the hate-filled confidence tricks of rabid
anti-Scientologists who intend no good for you or any man
or woman?

Like a broken record you repeat the lines that have been force-
fed to you, "criminal acts that surround the criminal cult" and yet
it is you who has broken the law and now must pay the piper.

I would suggest that you pull your head from where you evidently
have it stored and take a good hard look around. Who knows,
maybe you’ll even find out where you really are.

Bill


Clams
Auditor vs. Andreas Heldal-Lund


From: nobody@zeta.org.au (The Galactic Overlord Remailer)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Understanding why some troll here...
Date: 9 Dec 1997 10:00:32 +1100
Message-ID: <66hu6g$5l0$1@godzilla.zeta.org.au>

Andreas Heldal-Lund (heldal@online.no):
> Clams or cult apologists gets like 50 follow-ups on their
> posts to ars, I seldom get any (ok, I may be a bad example,
> I don't want to make the impression I believe my posts is
> worth any comments!). How easy it is to fake a clam, just
> pretend to be ignorant and have weird priorities when it
> comes to issues usually covered by common sense? What
> happens if you try? You get all the attention, people just
> flock around you!

Andreas, can you imagine it hurts being called a "clam"? Is that
your intention, to hurt I mean? If so: why? To wake Scientologists
up or something? Wrong strategy IMO.

> I long for more clams in this newsgroup, but know so well
> it is a stupid dream. How many would manage to stay a
> clam after an open and honest debate with anybody here?

I think many well-intentioned Scientologists are reading this ng,
that is to say: for a short time. How long would you keep on
reading if the majority thinks and writes down you are "clam",
a "vampire of the soul", a "neo-nazi"', etc.

Whether you believe it or not this stupid approach blocks an open
and honest debate thoroughly.

I like you Andreas. Your brave attitude has my respect. I _also_
do believe you have almost no idea what you're up against. I think
this is called naivety.

> I have to admit, there are many here on ARS that I
> admire as persons. Many of them are totally different from
> me, they are far from an idol or any of the sort. But
> they show a good portion of good common sense and honesty.
> Whatever the personal cost, they obey the reality they
> see. So different from the clams who desperately tries
> to fit reality into the pre-compiled version of "reality"
> their leaders desperately wants them to believe in.

You are generalizing and a play toy of your own thoughts here. Let
me throw in some "Scientologese": you do not grant Beingness to
people who have (most of them) honest ideals, like rooting out
crime and suffering. And YES, I do agree Scn as an organization
isn't doing a good job in this field.

> David Miscavige knows so well it would be a total
> slaughterhouse if he allowed for his followers to join
> this newsgroup. He's been here, he knows very well the
> power of the net. He may not like to admit it in his
> mind, but he acknowledge the threat. He also knows there
> are no medicine to the threat, as long as there are
> people out there that manages to arrange events and
> arrangements that provoce CoS to show the world their
> real face.

Are you a clairvoyant or something? How do _you_ know DM "knows"
all these things?

> Please, all of you out there, without mentioning any
> names, do not stop what you are doing! The only "solution"
> available for the Cult of Scientology is to either
> silence you, or kneel for your feet and beg for your
> forgiveness. Your courage is being documented once and
> for all on the net, you are part of history! If we do
> not manage to stand up and face a criminal cult, who
> are we to harvest from the fruits of the free society?
> Who are we to complain about any wrongdoing, if we do
> not stand up when we look straight at it? Who are we
> to use the free speech, if we do not dare to fight when
> it is threatened?

Man oh man.

Replace "Cult of Scn" with "Jewish organizations" to see what I
mean.

And *NO*, I'm not saying Scientologists are the Jews of today!
It's the "tone" of this ranting which reminds me of something.

I sometimes wonder: who's more trapped into Scientology, the
Scientologists or the Critics...

Auditor.


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