Subject: Re: Why I joined the Cult of Scientology
From: Bernie <Bernie@bernie.cncfamily.com>
Perry E Scott:
> >>>and in fact the reports of people who have tried this confirm your suspicion. You noted that Margery Wakefield gave an accurate description of the procedure. Here's how her mind reacted after being subjected to this for a while:
> >>> "As I stared into George's eyes, I began to see an aura of colors around his head.... I began to have sensations of my body being contorted out of shape.... I was feeling strangely dizzy...
[and finally after a long time]
> >>> Suddenly I had a rushing feeling of euphoria"
> There are people who claim that can observe the aura around people and this has been reported for thousands of years and is frequently represented in religious art works. Do you believe you were actually seeing this aura or was is some kind of optical illusion? I've never see any auras but I do perceive rather brilliant light around some people, but it is not multi-colored.
This is quite surprising, and then not so much at the same time. The "astral" aura is a well known part of theory in esoteric teachings. One possible interpretation of the phenomena reported by Margery and Perry would be that they simply got to see this aura. I don't say that this is what happened or not, I just say that it is a possible explanation that would make sense in this context.
The same goes for the "rather brilliant light" you saw yourself. This could be linked, again within this context, to the "etheric" body that esoterists also claim to exist around the body.
And along the same theory, the rest of Margery explanation would also fit an exteriorization phenomenon (or OBE as Martin prefer to call it), both along the same theory and along experiences I went through myself: sensations of my body being contorted out of shape, feeling strangely dizzy, rushing feeling of euphoria. A positive experience as far as I am concerned, not a negative one.
>Many artists, writers and creative people produce best in "trance" states. Auditing involves a very focused, disciplined trance state that does indeed involve detaching attention from one's physical surrounding.
>>Thank you for admitting that auditing is a trance state.
"Trance" is again such a tricky word. There are probably many different types of trances. I guess some trances can be bad, some can be good, depending on the type of trance and the circumstances. As far as I am concerned, I only experienced so far "good" trances: the creative state is itself, I think, a trance. The so-called "trance" induced in an auditing session, or in a psychanalytic session for that matter, is a light and necessary one to help the patient reconnect with his past.
Often, though, the word "trance" has, in this newsgroup, the automatic connotation of something bad per se. This is more of an accepted ideas, IMO, that needs to be questioned.
Although being out of Scn since long, I ran recently into something that sends me in trance like hell. I am refering to "techno" (real techno, not hit parades one) and "ambient" style music. Both are relatively recent phenomena and I found out that they are both based very much on the trance state, which is quite interesting by itself. Techno, with its repetitive and fluctuating style sends you "out of yor mind", and if you go in a real techno club and move to a good "set" you end up not knowing your name anymore. So that's real trance and is real good. Ambient is the same but better to listen early morning or late evening in your bed, also terribly trance inducing, at least good pieces. So I have certainly nothing against trance in this context.
Now trances induced by drugs is another matter, and the main difference is, I think, one of control and of artificiality, because the trance is "forced" and is mixed with elements that can be delusory. It also involves a dependency, and this of an increasing nature. But at the same time, it too can produce, in the whole experiment, some elements that could be positive (hightened perceptions, etc).
So the problem is not so much linked to the trance itself, I think, but more to the conditions surrounding it. The problem with Scn could be compared to the drug experiment: it involves dependencies and the results achieved are artificial. That's where the problem is: the conditions and circumstances around it, including the heavy suggestions involved in LRH writtings. But then, this doesn't mean that in the whole that we call "Scientology", there isn't anything of value at all. Of course I understand that to say that can bring a reaction from those who need Scn as a whole to be something completely bad and evil. I tend to think, though, that it's healthier to discern through the issue rather than to toss it on one of its dual extreme (all bad or all good).
Can we use the positive aspects of "trance" without suffering the deviations of drugs? Can we move on to spiritual quests (or personal enhancement, call it what you like), without suffering the limitation of cultic thinking?
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